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After reading all the comments so far I would like to clarify a few points:

1. In general, I agree with many that I don't trust this government to do it right.

2. My observations about NZ represent the the time period 1992 to 2017. Ardern came to power late 2017 and since then Maori politics went totally crazy and woke.

3. Hate it or love it, this topic won't go away until an organic solution is found. It is like a wound in the body of any nation. We can ignore it but it will weaken Australia. It gives Australia a bad reputation in the world.

4. Solutions that come from guilt and shame will not work. There is a great difference between guilt and responsibility. Genuine good-will will go a long way.

5. Usually, the activists on any side do not represent the people. They are personally and emotionally engaged - a recipe for disaster. People need to keep a cool head and look for a win-win rather than conflict

6. My "it has to hurt" was not helpful and the wrong phrase. What I wanted to say is that it has to hurt in our hearts what happened without allocating any blame. The healing pain of deep compassion. Not only for the Aboriginies (I like that word better too), but for our forefathers too. It simply was a tradegy for everyone involved.

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Jul 4, 2023Liked by Rebekah Barnett

I have a very simple thought process: if it’s being pushed by mainstream media, I’m against it. This way I’m correct most of the time.

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Jul 4, 2023Liked by Rebekah Barnett

I could barely finish reading that Markus. I’m a white NZer who grew up in an area with high Māori population also in the timeframe you’re referring to. I’m a 3rd generation NZer & descend from impoverished Irish domestic servants, an Australian convict (game poaching was his crime), Scottish Whalers, East German peasants & farriers. My brother & I were raised in NZ under ‘positive doscrmination’ & ‘revese racist’ ethnic Marxist race based policies.

We were basically raised to see ourselves as unwanted invaders & hate the colour of our own fair complexions. Policies included taking academic & sports awards off white kids & giving them to Māori kids because it would be better for their self esteem. It was stupid Commie bullshit. We saw many Māori fall for this race based favouritism hook line & sinker & get over inflated egos/entitlement. I remember a couple of people complaining at uni for not getting better grades & deciding it was ‘racist’. Some also thought they had a free pass to victimise & bully us, which they only ever did in a pack/gang.

I’m sorry but what you have said about NZ being better than ever after that reparations process is bullshit. People have gone batshit crazy in NZ & many have moved to Aust & the UK etc. to get away from NZ. Being European by birth & not branded as an ‘invader’ your whole life you don’t understand the never ending grievance industry gravy train. Lots of people don’t actually want things sorted out, they want an eternal axe to grind. Of course they are being used & this is nothing new, it’s just changed gear recently. Many don’t seem to understand that big gov & corporations don’t care about any of us.

Many Māori & Pacific people won’t take any responsibility for the endemic problems within their communities that hark back to pre settlement times. They try to blame everything on NZers of Euro/UK decent. From gangs to the horrible child abuse & death statistics. Like Aust Aboriginals it wasn’t an egalitarian utopia. You need to read out of the prescribed romanticised narrative & more broadly. That uni degree has possibly softened the truth on certain matters. Ian Wishart is a good place to start.

Very few in NZ ask the tough questions regarding what kind of awesome systems would Māori have created on their own without settlement? How would things have gone for them if the French took the NZ islands? You do know the definition of a genocide right? No one was deceived into signing the Treaty. The French & others were possibly coming & the chiefs has the wisdom & foresight which assured the survival of their people.

The ‘new generation of Māori’ look more like you & I on account of their significant Euro/UK heritage. Did you know Taiki Waititi uses his mother’s surname Cohen In Hollywood? Why would that be? Can you see the fake tan dripping off some of these activists? This rubbish has absolutely ruined NZ. NZ is a small isolated nation & things get very myopic there.

Reading between the lines on your semi romanticised view I’d take a guess you ‘married into the tribe’, as we say. After your time in NZ you probably think any distant Polynesian heritage rules out a predominantly European/UK lineage.

You sound like you almost know the self flagellating white guilt ridden Leftie mentality isn’t cool or trendy. It’s just silly & almost manifests like a mental health diagnosis such as a victim of narcissistic abuse. Many of these people don’t actually like people of Euro/UK descent & the nicer you try to be the worse it actually gets. It will never be enough.

I never did anything to anyone & neither did my family. We endured much verbal abuse & physical assaults where we grew up. I will never again be called a ‘coloniser/invader’ or allow anyone to speak to me in such terms, least of all middle class white simps to the cause of their own punishment. They are not ‘good people’, they have been psyoped. A backlash has begun in earnest & has resulted in disinterest in Māori culture/language, although thanks to the education system most my age & younger speak basic Te Reo but we are choosing not to. Many no longer care about their social problems or axe grinding & will not be gaslit by racism accusations.

It’s not the Aboriginal uprising anyone in camp No is scared of it’s the government weaponising the Voice on citizens…, you know that being used thing🤷🏼‍♀️. Hopefully people can see that. Many Aboriginal people aren’t even registered to vote. It’s not about them & is a UNDRIP initiative, as NZ was a UNDRIP flag ship nation.

#VoteNoAustralia #VoteNoToTheVoice

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Jul 4, 2023Liked by Rebekah Barnett

"If it hurts the white Australians it means something. It has to hurt." Why does it have to hurt? Most white Australians I know are already hurting, cutting back on their groceries, unsure how to pay their soaring energy bills. How much are we supposed to pay towards reparations? No idea. Because they won't tell us. And surely some should hurt more than others? My husband is a many-generation Aussie, I've only lived here 20 years. We should slug him that little bit extra, don't you think?

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Jul 4, 2023Liked by Rebekah Barnett

I am really tired of being told that I have to be guilty of past sins not even perpetrated by my ancestors and even if they were then I am still not responsible for the sins of others and the past. I am only responsible for myself and my sins before God.

As far as I can see aboriginals - not First Nations- have exactly the same opportunities as the rest of us but the activists want to keep sone aboriginals as victims. It suits their narrative. Billions are spent obviously badly so how is that our fault?

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The language, style and syntax doesn't seem to match that of someone who was educated in Germany and has English as a second language. However, that's another argument. I know nothing of the NZ experience so cannot comment on that, but I do know about the experiences here in my country. Firstly my Aboriginal mate absolutely hates the term first nation's and rebukes anyone who uses it. It's bloody Canadian, do I look like an Indian? he says. Secondly, the intentions of Phillip and subsequent Governors was to peacefully settle the land. The highlighted "massacres" were all the consequences of atrocities that isolated and defenceless settlers and explorers suffered. Those facts are well documented. Rodney Liddells paper, Cape York Savage Frontier, details multiple events that were unprovoked attacks and massacres of shipwrecked seamen and explorers in North Queensland. The premise by the author that there was 200+ years of abuse is entirely unfounded. Just another propagation of the lies that even Minister Birney has been found to lie about. The author is the problem because he cherry picks his truths. He misidentified some sort of collective guilt that this country has towards the disparit Aboriginal population. We have no guilt. Not one person I know living today was responsible for any of this. Yet here we are as a country pouring billions in to just 3% of our population because they have been indoctrinated that they are victims, that they deserve everything and the taxpayers owe owe owe.

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It used to be "traditional caretakers", and now it's "traditional owners". Big difference.

Bottom line: who is responsible for the problem, and who does the "solution" affect?

Like climate policy, it's the elites, the politicians and big business who are responsible for any alleged issues.

Like climate policy, it's you and me, the plebs, who will be directly affected. Not the elites, politicians or big business.

For that reason, I'm out.

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Jul 4, 2023Liked by Rebekah Barnett

As I commented on Mark's original comment, there are 2 issues being confused in the Voice debate:

1) why do we need to change the Australian Constitution in order to help the indigenous people?

2) the issue of reparations/assistance/healing, in light of the fact that their cultures, their social structure, and their way of life was pretty much destroyed by the European settlers/invaders.

The mainstream narrative is that if you don't agree with this proposed change to our Constitution then you are a racist and generally mean and selfist person - which is patently not true.

The issue of reparations has not been overtly mentioned - because if it were, there would be an overwhelming "NO" from the referendum.

There are all sorts of sinister possibilities inherent in what is being proposed by the Voice advocates (and the fact that they dismiss all questions about details of implementation, etc is even more sinister, IMO). Meanwhile, all those sanctimonious Voice advocates are silent about issues such as the destruction of the traditional lands of the Wangan & Jagalingou people by Adani, in northwest Queensland.

https://wanganjagalingou.com.au/

And please note, the Qld Premier Annastacia Palaszczuk sold out and did nothing to limit the Adani project, because jobs. And votes.

There has been a heap of money poured into indigenous projects, most of it disappearing into the pockets of the people running them (as happened with ATSIC - an organisation set up with similar good intentions, maybe better intentions in fact, run by indigenous people for the benefit of Aborginal and Torres Strait Islander people).

I'm in no way denying that these people have suffered terribly, and their current predicament is the result of systematic abuse and destruction of their culture. But what to do about it?

Nothing I have heard about the proposed Voice leads me to believe that it will constructively address these issues, and the fact that people like Jacinta Price are against it is enough for me.

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Jul 4, 2023Liked by Rebekah Barnett

Approximately 55% of the Australian landmass is now in Aboriginal hands and the government spends ~$ 39 billion on indigenous affairs every year. How much more do the activists want. To change our constitution is unwarranted. A NO from me.

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If the voice was about true reconciliation and restoration it would be widely supported but many see through it...there is literally nothing we can trust from our governments these days be it covid, climate chains, or this - its always an emotive argument built on false unbalance narratives .....sad but the writer mentions Marxism many times for good reason......I know many indigenous Christians who do not want the voice and realise true reconciliation is a joint process of lifting up one another together...there is still much to be done for sure but I doubt the voice will do it......... I recently visited Haast Bluff NT where the local indigenous community have overseen the building of a huge cross - they are amazing people but still caught in a cultural vortex that the land they live on cannot provide the income and jobs to sustain them - it isn't any one person fault, it simply the rainfall.....Haast Bluff community commemorate 4 Lutheran evangelists who travelled the area in 1920s and brought the gospel to them - they no longer live in fear of payback when someone does wrong - but that is not the culture of many communities still today -

My great grandfather on one side, left Ireland to come here because the potato famine guttered his business in Ireland 1852.. he was an economic refugee like so many who have come more recently....I also have one ancestor who was on the First Fleet - and British heritage and a free man- he was barely 20 when he arrived and grew up served in the courts with Samuel Marsden - but how many were sent there as unwilling convicts - victims themselves? .....Irish and British have a tortured history too but my blood has both ... there is never one group who are all bad - look at the freedom fighter today they who want good, and live side by side with those who are deceived and those who intentionally want tyranny...... and there in lies the solution seek justice mercy for all but not preference and injustice...we have all the constitutional facilities to do that..

I watched the Last Daughter last week - it is so compelling and so sad but it is also a true story of love and reconciliation. I know many white who were adopted and there mothers often forced to give up children to adoption by social pressures ( or those forced to abort) back then and then we see the the child sex trade to day that the Sound of Freedom that is just released in the USA has highlighted - tyranny and evil know no borders and as I watched the Last Daughter I could not help think of how many tragedies our government have perpetrated on people and still do ......the voice that this parliament needs to hear is the voice of the Holy Spirit none other .....

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Jul 4, 2023Liked by Rebekah Barnett

“one of them the famous Tāme Iti, who was also a Māori artist. He later would become an international celebrity flown around the world by wealthy supporters.”

This tells you a lot about most so called activists. Supported & encouraged by wealthy donors, because it suits them.

“A few years later, the NZ government decided to fully compensate and settle all historical grievances with Māori for good. White New Zealanders were very wary and anxious about it at the time. Basically, over a period of about 20 years, every iwi (tribe) could lodge a claim of what was stolen from them, dating back to the first white people arriving. They were all compensated. It cost billions of dollars.”

Similar to compensation schemes or legislation in Australia like Mabo/Native Title, they are not what they appear to be. A trojan horse of sorts, assimilating & destroying the original peoples customs & traditions whilst appearing to be fair.

“and a new proud, confident, and well-educated Māori generation prospered, who see themselves as equal and respected and part of a united New Zealand.”

Loss of knowledge & wisdom of original peoples, educated to a worldview endorsed by UN SDG, WEF & others.

“But what is abundantly clear is that the situation can't be compared to the Māori situation. The history and character of the two peoples are vastly different.”

It can, the goal of both governments is the same. Control, access to resources for corporations.

“trickery and deceit”

Yes, still ongoing. There are many forms. Wolves in sheeps clothing.

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Jul 4, 2023·edited Jul 4, 2023

Yup … this is a compelling read and likely indicative of the thoughts and emotions of the majority of the country regardless of ethnic background. How about treating aboriginal people as equals and not as pets or a permanent victim class perpetually deserving of white man’s guilt and assistance? How about not abusing the bigotry of low expectations, of obliging or encouraging the notion of personal responsibility and/or expecting the most basic of participation to modern standards of living typical of our extremely diverse cultural tapestry?

There is a common enemy of all Australians, white and brown, and that is Homo Consensus, the affluent, liberal, white, gullible majority, who gleefully sign up to every bloody “cause” in the name of doing the right thing, but who lack the basic common sense and pragmatism that should inform their decision-making.

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Jul 4, 2023Liked by Rebekah Barnett

Interesting that you should suggest that the problem in NZ was 'Marxist Labour Party' upsetting the scene, and then to imply that 'Europeans should give until it hurts' in Australia. You seem to have an errant view of what Marxism actually is, because that's the bowels of it. i.e. Living for others for inexplicable or unqualified reasons, whether rationalised or not. It is fascism as well. It is any form of collectivism, and the historical foundations for Maori are collectivist. The exception is your aspirational friends who really identify with Europeans.

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Jul 4, 2023Liked by Rebekah Barnett

Thank you Rebecca for touching this difficult and painful topic and starting a honest conversation about it. People feel safe here to express their views from different perspectives in a respectful way which is rare these days. I tried to cross-post it but couldn't manage. Is it enabled for your posts?

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I am not sure if incuding Aboriginals in the constitution will actually make any material difference to the plight of the Aboriginal people. But that is what we should do - work out what would help because many of them are such terribly broken people. It would be great to have an Australian success story like that of New Zealand's.

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Jul 4, 2023Liked by Rebekah Barnett

whammo. totally nailed my feelings

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