"we try really hard to make a vaccine and despite our best efforts"
- Pfizer et al didn't try really hard, nor put their best efforts in. They unblinded their clinical trial after 2 (? or 3) months, did not check for actual translation product in vitro, removed AE participants from the trial, etc, etc. Typical pharma fraud.
"It's ok if it didn't work."
- true IFF
1. it was not mandated on threat of job loss / societal segregation
2. there were no adverse events
clearly neither of which were true. It didn't work but its delivery was mandated and its results were harmful.
Otherwise, it's good to see a cogent response to what sounds like a shill blogger.
Most people are not even aware what the adverse reactions are. I was reading RFK the other day and surprised to discover that ear infection is a side effect of vaccination. I remember having at least 3 or 4 ear infections during my childhood which were always blamed on swimming in the Brisbane river (far upstream where it is fairly pristine). My twin brother suffered chronic asthma for his first 10 or 12 years - another common vaccine injury. How many child diseases and conditions are actually caused by childhood vaccination schedules?
I had asthma, i put it down to the fact that Australia had the highest asthma rate in the world - so sort of thought maybe Australians of European/UK background were not accustomed to the climate or something similar.
Now i am not so sure !!
In fact i now believe it a vaccine side effect or injury.
I saw first hand my small grandson get bronchiolitis after the MMR. He spent days in hospital struggling for breath then ended up with continuing asthma. Not all would admit it was the vaccine and ultimately I think they put ‘flu’ in his notes. My daughter sneaked a look one day. Definitely was not flu.
For a while I expected to loose my hearing my ears were so painful. However with home remedies, prayer and acceptance ( not in that order) my ear problems resolved - eventually.
My money is on a ccp created bio weapon.
Below is far from my only source but for the most recent See “ What’s in The Pfizer Documents “ with of all people, Naomi Wolf.
As threatening as my position is to some remember, “ there is a lot of hope in truth “ and our current trial is very very far from over.
One doesn’t need to be a genius to know the covid vaccines are bad, but it takes a great deal of effort to understand why ALL of the other vaccines are also bad.
The new book ‘Turtles All The Way Down’ is a fantastic choice for anyone interested to explore the science of the vaccines on the (US) childhood schedule. I imagine it would be a fascinating contribution to the debate to hear Mike’s response to this book...
Interesting to see that take on the vaccine. That line of argument probably has more influence on vaccine enthusiasts than the completely opposing view. However he completely skips the maliciousness of what has gone on. Mandates causing people to lose jobs. Unnecessary vaccination of young people leading to death. Same goes for frail elderly people. Thanks for reporting this Rebekah.
I think this is because you have to meet people half way. Those who are indoctrinated need gentle, logical persuasion rather than a brute force attack which results in a firewall.
Yes, this is what worked for me. I've only been aware of all of this since 2021. Never even occurred to me to question any vaccines prior. It was methodical, well reasoned presentations that convinced me.
Articulate response by Mike. But, perhaps there is more research in store for him to dig into the story of vaccines. Especially the current US Schedule, how it came to be, the background on each and the history as a whole.
Pro-vaxxers like Mike abused and harassed mothers who were hesitant to continue the CDC schedule after seeing their infants suffer adverse reactions to vaccines. NOW, they want grace and understanding? Eff u, Mike. Eff u.
This is unreasonable. We must accept all who have come to see the light. We can't all overcome heavy duty indoctrination. There would be issues I'm sure that you believe to be true that are utterly false. Life is about overcoming the institutional indoctrination we're exposed to from birth.
You can't also know that he would be the type to do that.
You described me age 25-27 fairly enough. Not sure a wanker, used to think highly of myself. Argument to be made anyone ascribing someone a “wanker” after reading one thing they ever wrote might also think highly of their opinions too... maybe?
I’m not sure if there’s any playfulness in connotation of Wanker in AUS compared to US, here’s a friendly bullshitting dig you make to a buddy. I’ll accept that version :)
(Only experience with Australian culture is the delightful Mr Inbetween - yes that’s sad, I know)
My own mother, who stopped all my vaccinations in 1982 after I got a fever and cranky from Pertussis vaccine, didn’t vaccinate my little sister either and focused on alternative medicine most of our childhood - no crystals - just vitamins, only seeing doctor for emergency, etc.
She has called me an antivaxxer and is horrified of me now.
I helped advance them for appointment for first 2 doses early Jan 2021 and I’m forever a “cooker” to her still. Insane.
Myself, I was starting to question the mainstream vaccine narrative for a few years before covid hit... but I was never a vehement anti-vaxxer until this last round of BS was imposed on us.
As many people have said, this has done more to destroy trust in the medical profession (and in particular, the pharmaceutical wing) than anything else in recent history.
Once you realise that the government is capable of blatantly lying to us, everything changes.
That's a pretty major turning point, because most of us can't really comprehend the extent of the lies. (I still find it hard.)
Because most of us are not psychopaths - we have some sort of moral compass that guides us, and even though we all err from time to time, we feel guilty about it when we do.
These psychopaths, on the other hand, will lie over and over, if it is to their benefit - or sometimes even just because they can.
One day, they may find their own special place in hell. Until then, the rest of us need to be aware and protect ourselves. And our kids.
Apr 10, 2023·edited Apr 10, 2023Liked by Rebekah Barnett
If Mike or anyone else reading this needs to hear it, MMR vaccines do not 'work' for most definitions of 'work'. What we are observing in his claim that they 'work' is both an illusion of agency bias, and a successful propaganda, censorship and disinformation campaign.
I have never heard of anyone getting Measles, Mumps, or Rubella in my life in the US, hence "those vaccines work"
Also chickenpox (which I got as a child) seems to have disappeared as well, though I was hesitant giving that to my kids as it was less than 2 decades old when my daughter was born
When vaccines were introduced all those diseases had disappeared.
They had disappeared due to moving industries away from where people lived, clean water, proper sanitation, refidgerated food and the introduction of child labour laws- so in other words instead of throwing their shit out the window onto the street they dealt with it in a safe controlled manner.
This is replicated in the Government’s own statistics - by the time the measles vaccine was introduced in the US in 1963, the death rate from measles was 1/100,000 kids - it was non existent.
And all links provided in this comment or the previous one have robust evidence of the harms of the jabs so that 'working' is not just a question of morbidity (did I get measles), but a genuine cost-benefit analysis which includes mortality (did I die from measles) and adverse efffects. Eg. Was there 500 U.S.A. deaths per annum due to measles before the vaccine roll out - yes. Are there still that many - yes. Has the Case fatality rate (CFR) skyrocketed since the vaccine rollout - yes. Have the known side-effects of the vaccines caused widespread harm - yes. Has the vaccine program 'worked' - yes if you only look at one misleading binary - whether your circle of aquaintances got diagnosed with it. No if we look at the broader picture.
Thanks Shane, I haven’t time to read all comments yet- working on that. While I haven’t fed those good chance I am intimately familiar with the rate decline vaccine. That’s a failure of vaxzealots to not acknowledge up front and attempt to credit for, weakens their argument and immediately sows distrust.
Mike probably hasn't read "Turtles All The Way Down".
Standard practice by pharma in the childhood vaccine trials is to NOT use saline in the control groups; instead, they use a prior vaccine for the latest updated version (e.g. DTaP) or give a different vaccine altogether. This causes the control group to have similar numbers of AE to the new drug and then the regulators pass this off as acceptable. Criminal behaviour to any rational being, but they just don't care.
No … Turtles all the Way Down - Vaccine Science and Myth - edited by Mary Holland. book takes a deep dive into history of vaccines, written by 2 anonymous Israeli researchers, debunks what parents have believed about jabs for the past ~50 years, having read it I now regret having my eyes closed for so long. It’s by no means the only worthwhile resource, but thanks to covid malfeasance I now have my eyes fully open.
That pretty much sums up my wife’s and my thinking at the time.
We had the “courage of our convictions” and paid the price of a 24-48 hour mild COVID episode apiece (well, we think...we’ve never bothered to take one of the tests either - I mean, what would be the point?
Yeah no doubt with my sis. She emphatically stated that she “has no desire to learn anything more about covid” as her best friend and brother in law are battling aggressive cancers. Such a scientific mind. She wins 6 figure research grants with that curiosity. Our species deserves whatever it gets at this point. I sent yer the article from the Atlantic proving that the jab can accelerate cancer. Guaranteed she never even glanced at it.
While I respect Mike’s thorough response, I can’t fathom how or why so many like him - the smartest people in the room, the professional/executive/entrepreneur class - simply can’t make the leap to “actually none of these vaccines are good for you or particularly effective AT ALL” … this has been such a fascinating exercise in cognitive dissonance and group psychology, watching otherwise cogent, intelligent, educated people go through great pains to manifest their public support for a shibboleth like “Public Health” or “Big Medicine” simply because they’re at great pains to profess their in-group bonafides … “we’re smart people who believe the right things so if you disagree with us that means YOU are wrong” … it’s the Dilbert guy, Scott Adams, playbook all over again … “if I’M very smart, then I obviously followed the science, but if YOU aren’t as smart as me, then YOU must just have been lucky with your idiocy as the science somehow was wrong despite smart people like me producing it”. Science is a faith now, a secular faith … lab coats have replaced robes, and “safe and effective” has replaced “peace be with you”.
If the the conduct or mindset of those like Mike these past ~3 years is any judge, I’d suggest that’s not particularly likely … those convinced of their own innate superiority through their strict adherence to the appropriate political stance could literally have had a heart attack 15 minutes after their covid booster, and would have been thankful they were already in the clinic when it happened because that saved their lives … they REALLY believe!
Some private interest tried very hard to avoid to apply any scientific analysis on possible problems and oversight. Obstruction of justice was neither a mistake nor bad luck. It was deliberate and offensive fraud and racketeering..
Well written. Thanks for posting. That was pretty much my thought process. Interestingly, though, I'm now starting to come around to the anti-vax side of things. I've generally been pro-vax all my life, but this recent debacle has caused me to look deeper into the science around vaccines, and what I'm finding is that there mostly isn't one. Basically, it appears like it's a no-liability give-away to pharma. I have a quite laissez faire perspective on economics, and I don't scream "big pharma!" as a knee-jerk reaction. I think we need drugs and we need pharma companies to make those drugs. But vaccines seem to have been largely a scam where government mandates certain vaccine schedules, pharma pumps out vaccines and gets rich, some kids get harmed, other kids don't get harmed but don't seem to get much benefit, and there is nobody to hold accountable because government gave pharma immunity. If the product was good and worked as advertised, why would they need immunity?
I was where you are too about 5 years ago. The simple but unfortunate reality however is big pharma and those who profit off of selling their products, including regulators, hospital administrators and large swathes of the medical-industrial complex are not interested in making people well … if people are well, they lose their customer base. I recognise that this is an oversimplification and many hundreds of nuances exist within this worldview, but it doesn’t mean the central tenet is false. Recognising so-called “anti-vaxxers” are indeed correct is a massive kick in the balls to many who had trust in these systems, and the sinister marriage of government and corporations (we all know what that’s called) more latterly deemed beyond challenge or question is truly horrifying, but not as much as witnessing just how easily 80% of people myopically or unquestioningly just went along with it. In a top-down system akin to fascism, almost anything can be justified according to the doctrine of the Greater Good … especially when those who really believe in the greater good have defined themselves as the truly good people.
Yep, I think you’re right. Healthcare in the USA used to be delivered by independent family doctors. But then insurance and billing made it favorable to come together in medical groups. Then, people in those groups see what used to be a family business as something that needs to grow and expand. So, suddenly we need more patients and more things to cure. I do think there are people who truly want to help people be healthy, but the question is whether the system as it works today will crush that idealism out of them as they fight to survive within its rules.
Unfortunately the US is ground zero for “sick care” … I have nothing but sympathy for the average American locked into the government’s sick care programs, run for the benefit of agencies, hospitals, insurers, food and drug manufacturers etc to keep Americans fat, lazy, docile and reliant on the system … it’s truly abhorrent, Australia is not far behind, but we still have a much better appreciation for lifestyle and diet choices that don’t set us on the pathway to drug dependency. Obviously there are nuances as with anything, but how Americans haven’t cottoned on yet to the racket astounds me. Probably because only a half dozen of your politicians of any stripe aren’t enormously corrupt!
The biggest issue I can see is that they’ve screwed with the food supply, and through taxation and subsidies, making some ingredients unhealthy. Then, they’ve had propaganda churned out by the government to convince people that they need to eat lots of “whole grains” and such. Consequently, almost all processed foods are loaded with high fructose corn syrup (after lobbying by big agriculture and cane sugar tariffs for big sugar) and other sugars, unhealthy seed oils, etc. So, we’re all fat, borderline diabetic, with all sorts of metabolic diseases. If we’d just go back to eating basic meats and (limited) vegetables, everyone would be off their meds and a lot happier, I think. Now, with all the “climate change” nonsense, they are pushing for reduced meat (because “cow farts”) which will make the situation even worse.
So true … my central thesis is that we’re in a state of managed decline, purposefully so. Our governments and their owners recognise that a prosperous, free, healthy, happy and intelligent society is “dangerous” … they aren’t easily controlled because collectively they work together, don’t hate each other, and can ultimately give government the middle finger - they don’t NEED the government. So those who crave power and control as they have done for centuries have set about purposefully diminishing and destroying our society, economy, health system, the academy and culture … replacing it with division and malfunction and scientific fraud like the climate crisis etc all to ensure people seek refuge in government edicts and systems of control. It’s actually fiendishly simple in my opinion and to me tends to answer most of the questions starting with “But why would they …?” The answer is they hate us, worship power and control and even for the few “noble” types trying to save us from Climate Catastrophe, the “greater good” argument means that any and all actions and decisions that are taken are justified, no matter the consequences for society provided they truly believe in the lies.
“ if people are well, they lose their customer base. I recognise that this is an oversimplification and many hundreds of nuances exist within this worldview, but it doesn’t mean the central tenet is false. Recognising so-called “anti-vaxxers” are indeed correct is a massive kick in the balls to many who had trust in these systems”
Only disagree with 2 of his points:
"we try really hard to make a vaccine and despite our best efforts"
- Pfizer et al didn't try really hard, nor put their best efforts in. They unblinded their clinical trial after 2 (? or 3) months, did not check for actual translation product in vitro, removed AE participants from the trial, etc, etc. Typical pharma fraud.
"It's ok if it didn't work."
- true IFF
1. it was not mandated on threat of job loss / societal segregation
2. there were no adverse events
clearly neither of which were true. It didn't work but its delivery was mandated and its results were harmful.
Otherwise, it's good to see a cogent response to what sounds like a shill blogger.
I would agree with those points and would add,
"It's ok if it didn't work." - only with informed consent.
Fair points, especially regarding the mandating. Still astonishing they could mandate an ILI vaccine so quickly developed.
They did put in their best efforts. Their goal being genocide.
I wonder if Mike would have a different opinion on childhood vaccines if one of his kids had an adverse reaction...
Most people are not even aware what the adverse reactions are. I was reading RFK the other day and surprised to discover that ear infection is a side effect of vaccination. I remember having at least 3 or 4 ear infections during my childhood which were always blamed on swimming in the Brisbane river (far upstream where it is fairly pristine). My twin brother suffered chronic asthma for his first 10 or 12 years - another common vaccine injury. How many child diseases and conditions are actually caused by childhood vaccination schedules?
I had asthma, i put it down to the fact that Australia had the highest asthma rate in the world - so sort of thought maybe Australians of European/UK background were not accustomed to the climate or something similar.
Now i am not so sure !!
In fact i now believe it a vaccine side effect or injury.
I had a dentist who went deaf in one ear from the MMR vaccine. He was very up front about it.
I saw first hand my small grandson get bronchiolitis after the MMR. He spent days in hospital struggling for breath then ended up with continuing asthma. Not all would admit it was the vaccine and ultimately I think they put ‘flu’ in his notes. My daughter sneaked a look one day. Definitely was not flu.
For a while I expected to loose my hearing my ears were so painful. However with home remedies, prayer and acceptance ( not in that order) my ear problems resolved - eventually.
My money is on a ccp created bio weapon.
Below is far from my only source but for the most recent See “ What’s in The Pfizer Documents “ with of all people, Naomi Wolf.
As threatening as my position is to some remember, “ there is a lot of hope in truth “ and our current trial is very very far from over.
From the Covid vaccine ?
Of course, had one of my children had an adverse reaction I would be at a different place.
As a child, sometime in the early 80's apparently I had a very bad reaction to one of the vaccines so my mother did not give any to my younger sister.
It was DPT for us at 6 months. Skin all over the body broke out in hives. It was bad.
One doesn’t need to be a genius to know the covid vaccines are bad, but it takes a great deal of effort to understand why ALL of the other vaccines are also bad.
The new book ‘Turtles All The Way Down’ is a fantastic choice for anyone interested to explore the science of the vaccines on the (US) childhood schedule. I imagine it would be a fascinating contribution to the debate to hear Mike’s response to this book...
Interesting to see that take on the vaccine. That line of argument probably has more influence on vaccine enthusiasts than the completely opposing view. However he completely skips the maliciousness of what has gone on. Mandates causing people to lose jobs. Unnecessary vaccination of young people leading to death. Same goes for frail elderly people. Thanks for reporting this Rebekah.
I think this is because you have to meet people half way. Those who are indoctrinated need gentle, logical persuasion rather than a brute force attack which results in a firewall.
Yes, this is what worked for me. I've only been aware of all of this since 2021. Never even occurred to me to question any vaccines prior. It was methodical, well reasoned presentations that convinced me.
Welcome to the thunderdome!
(May I introduce you to building 7?)
Choose your battles. This was directed at Gorski.
Articulate response by Mike. But, perhaps there is more research in store for him to dig into the story of vaccines. Especially the current US Schedule, how it came to be, the background on each and the history as a whole.
Apologies hitting the send button too soon.
Perhaps this, and other articles, might help expand knowledge and discourse.
https://amidwesterndoctor.substack.com/p/what-are-the-risks-and-benefits-of?utm_source=post-email-title&publication_id=748806&post_id=111364553&isFreemail=true&utm_medium=email
Just got back from a catastrophe of a visit to Florida Keys... I follow him, this post doesn’t ring a bell - will re-read and respond
Pro-vaxxers like Mike abused and harassed mothers who were hesitant to continue the CDC schedule after seeing their infants suffer adverse reactions to vaccines. NOW, they want grace and understanding? Eff u, Mike. Eff u.
This is unreasonable. We must accept all who have come to see the light. We can't all overcome heavy duty indoctrination. There would be issues I'm sure that you believe to be true that are utterly false. Life is about overcoming the institutional indoctrination we're exposed to from birth.
You can't also know that he would be the type to do that.
I agree.
Important point but the author does not sound the least contrite to me.
Forgiving is vital , equally so is repentance.
That's a bit of a leap, or did I miss that part?
Agree. He comes across as a self-opinionated aggressive wanker.
You described me age 25-27 fairly enough. Not sure a wanker, used to think highly of myself. Argument to be made anyone ascribing someone a “wanker” after reading one thing they ever wrote might also think highly of their opinions too... maybe?
I’m not sure if there’s any playfulness in connotation of Wanker in AUS compared to US, here’s a friendly bullshitting dig you make to a buddy. I’ll accept that version :)
(Only experience with Australian culture is the delightful Mr Inbetween - yes that’s sad, I know)
Thanks for this.
So now, applying the language of today, Mike should be described as an ‘anti-vaxxer’. Or a ‘cooker’, in Australia.
Genuine laugh out loud at this.
My own mother, who stopped all my vaccinations in 1982 after I got a fever and cranky from Pertussis vaccine, didn’t vaccinate my little sister either and focused on alternative medicine most of our childhood - no crystals - just vitamins, only seeing doctor for emergency, etc.
She has called me an antivaxxer and is horrified of me now.
I helped advance them for appointment for first 2 doses early Jan 2021 and I’m forever a “cooker” to her still. Insane.
Indeed. Insane.
Great to see someone with their thinking cap on!
Myself, I was starting to question the mainstream vaccine narrative for a few years before covid hit... but I was never a vehement anti-vaxxer until this last round of BS was imposed on us.
As many people have said, this has done more to destroy trust in the medical profession (and in particular, the pharmaceutical wing) than anything else in recent history.
Once you realise that the government is capable of blatantly lying to us, everything changes.
That's a pretty major turning point, because most of us can't really comprehend the extent of the lies. (I still find it hard.)
Because most of us are not psychopaths - we have some sort of moral compass that guides us, and even though we all err from time to time, we feel guilty about it when we do.
These psychopaths, on the other hand, will lie over and over, if it is to their benefit - or sometimes even just because they can.
One day, they may find their own special place in hell. Until then, the rest of us need to be aware and protect ourselves. And our kids.
If Mike or anyone else reading this needs to hear it, MMR vaccines do not 'work' for most definitions of 'work'. What we are observing in his claim that they 'work' is both an illusion of agency bias, and a successful propaganda, censorship and disinformation campaign.
https://thetruthaboutvaccines.com/wp-content/uploads/Vaxxed-Unvaxxed-Parts-I-IX-1.pdf
https://vactruth.com/2016/02/18/mmr-vaccine/
edit - see also Owain's helpful comment in this thread referencing a Mid Western Doctor.
I have never heard of anyone getting Measles, Mumps, or Rubella in my life in the US, hence "those vaccines work"
Also chickenpox (which I got as a child) seems to have disappeared as well, though I was hesitant giving that to my kids as it was less than 2 decades old when my daughter was born
IMO they don’t work-
When vaccines were introduced all those diseases had disappeared.
They had disappeared due to moving industries away from where people lived, clean water, proper sanitation, refidgerated food and the introduction of child labour laws- so in other words instead of throwing their shit out the window onto the street they dealt with it in a safe controlled manner.
This is replicated in the Government’s own statistics - by the time the measles vaccine was introduced in the US in 1963, the death rate from measles was 1/100,000 kids - it was non existent.
This is the illusion of agency bias. See the trend of measles, mumps, rubella cases before the introduction of vaccines:
https://dissolvingillusions.com/
Or read this excellent article:
https://robynchuter.substack.com/p/beating-measles-with-toilets-the
And all links provided in this comment or the previous one have robust evidence of the harms of the jabs so that 'working' is not just a question of morbidity (did I get measles), but a genuine cost-benefit analysis which includes mortality (did I die from measles) and adverse efffects. Eg. Was there 500 U.S.A. deaths per annum due to measles before the vaccine roll out - yes. Are there still that many - yes. Has the Case fatality rate (CFR) skyrocketed since the vaccine rollout - yes. Have the known side-effects of the vaccines caused widespread harm - yes. Has the vaccine program 'worked' - yes if you only look at one misleading binary - whether your circle of aquaintances got diagnosed with it. No if we look at the broader picture.
Thanks Shane, I haven’t time to read all comments yet- working on that. While I haven’t fed those good chance I am intimately familiar with the rate decline vaccine. That’s a failure of vaxzealots to not acknowledge up front and attempt to credit for, weakens their argument and immediately sows distrust.
also Sam Baileys videos
https://drsambailey.com/resources/videos/viruses-unplugged/the-truth-about-viruses/
Mike probably hasn't read "Turtles All The Way Down".
Standard practice by pharma in the childhood vaccine trials is to NOT use saline in the control groups; instead, they use a prior vaccine for the latest updated version (e.g. DTaP) or give a different vaccine altogether. This causes the control group to have similar numbers of AE to the new drug and then the regulators pass this off as acceptable. Criminal behaviour to any rational being, but they just don't care.
The YA book?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turtles_All_the_Way_Down_(novel)
On vacation and apparently iPhones don't like saltwater so just dropping in on a guest hotel computer - this was all they came up with :)
No … Turtles all the Way Down - Vaccine Science and Myth - edited by Mary Holland. book takes a deep dive into history of vaccines, written by 2 anonymous Israeli researchers, debunks what parents have believed about jabs for the past ~50 years, having read it I now regret having my eyes closed for so long. It’s by no means the only worthwhile resource, but thanks to covid malfeasance I now have my eyes fully open.
https://amzn.asia/d/dauMIKB
That pretty much sums up my wife’s and my thinking at the time.
We had the “courage of our convictions” and paid the price of a 24-48 hour mild COVID episode apiece (well, we think...we’ve never bothered to take one of the tests either - I mean, what would be the point?
Thanks Rebekah.
Reasonable to point out that baby & infant "vaccinations" have been causing harm for a very long time.
https://ia601302.us.archive.org/12/items/MurderByInjection.EustaceMullins/Murder%20by%20Injection.%20Eustace%20Mullins.pdf
If only I could get my science teacher sister to read this. She would and literally may rather actually die.
Doctor in my family told me to stop sending info on covid. Now all I can do is wait :(
My sister too.
Sometimes I feel she’d rather die than be proved wrong.
Yeah no doubt with my sis. She emphatically stated that she “has no desire to learn anything more about covid” as her best friend and brother in law are battling aggressive cancers. Such a scientific mind. She wins 6 figure research grants with that curiosity. Our species deserves whatever it gets at this point. I sent yer the article from the Atlantic proving that the jab can accelerate cancer. Guaranteed she never even glanced at it.
I wrote about these people and how to deal with them. They are 'true believers.' https://vicparkpetition.substack.com/p/gates-meets-with-australian-pm-to
While I respect Mike’s thorough response, I can’t fathom how or why so many like him - the smartest people in the room, the professional/executive/entrepreneur class - simply can’t make the leap to “actually none of these vaccines are good for you or particularly effective AT ALL” … this has been such a fascinating exercise in cognitive dissonance and group psychology, watching otherwise cogent, intelligent, educated people go through great pains to manifest their public support for a shibboleth like “Public Health” or “Big Medicine” simply because they’re at great pains to profess their in-group bonafides … “we’re smart people who believe the right things so if you disagree with us that means YOU are wrong” … it’s the Dilbert guy, Scott Adams, playbook all over again … “if I’M very smart, then I obviously followed the science, but if YOU aren’t as smart as me, then YOU must just have been lucky with your idiocy as the science somehow was wrong despite smart people like me producing it”. Science is a faith now, a secular faith … lab coats have replaced robes, and “safe and effective” has replaced “peace be with you”.
He may get there in time...
If the the conduct or mindset of those like Mike these past ~3 years is any judge, I’d suggest that’s not particularly likely … those convinced of their own innate superiority through their strict adherence to the appropriate political stance could literally have had a heart attack 15 minutes after their covid booster, and would have been thankful they were already in the clinic when it happened because that saved their lives … they REALLY believe!
Will drop in to write a follow up post when I return from vacation - next week sometime?
You've generated some good discussion Mike!
"we tried really hard, and it didn't work out"
Some private interest tried very hard to avoid to apply any scientific analysis on possible problems and oversight. Obstruction of justice was neither a mistake nor bad luck. It was deliberate and offensive fraud and racketeering..
Well written. Thanks for posting. That was pretty much my thought process. Interestingly, though, I'm now starting to come around to the anti-vax side of things. I've generally been pro-vax all my life, but this recent debacle has caused me to look deeper into the science around vaccines, and what I'm finding is that there mostly isn't one. Basically, it appears like it's a no-liability give-away to pharma. I have a quite laissez faire perspective on economics, and I don't scream "big pharma!" as a knee-jerk reaction. I think we need drugs and we need pharma companies to make those drugs. But vaccines seem to have been largely a scam where government mandates certain vaccine schedules, pharma pumps out vaccines and gets rich, some kids get harmed, other kids don't get harmed but don't seem to get much benefit, and there is nobody to hold accountable because government gave pharma immunity. If the product was good and worked as advertised, why would they need immunity?
I was where you are too about 5 years ago. The simple but unfortunate reality however is big pharma and those who profit off of selling their products, including regulators, hospital administrators and large swathes of the medical-industrial complex are not interested in making people well … if people are well, they lose their customer base. I recognise that this is an oversimplification and many hundreds of nuances exist within this worldview, but it doesn’t mean the central tenet is false. Recognising so-called “anti-vaxxers” are indeed correct is a massive kick in the balls to many who had trust in these systems, and the sinister marriage of government and corporations (we all know what that’s called) more latterly deemed beyond challenge or question is truly horrifying, but not as much as witnessing just how easily 80% of people myopically or unquestioningly just went along with it. In a top-down system akin to fascism, almost anything can be justified according to the doctrine of the Greater Good … especially when those who really believe in the greater good have defined themselves as the truly good people.
Yep, I think you’re right. Healthcare in the USA used to be delivered by independent family doctors. But then insurance and billing made it favorable to come together in medical groups. Then, people in those groups see what used to be a family business as something that needs to grow and expand. So, suddenly we need more patients and more things to cure. I do think there are people who truly want to help people be healthy, but the question is whether the system as it works today will crush that idealism out of them as they fight to survive within its rules.
Unfortunately the US is ground zero for “sick care” … I have nothing but sympathy for the average American locked into the government’s sick care programs, run for the benefit of agencies, hospitals, insurers, food and drug manufacturers etc to keep Americans fat, lazy, docile and reliant on the system … it’s truly abhorrent, Australia is not far behind, but we still have a much better appreciation for lifestyle and diet choices that don’t set us on the pathway to drug dependency. Obviously there are nuances as with anything, but how Americans haven’t cottoned on yet to the racket astounds me. Probably because only a half dozen of your politicians of any stripe aren’t enormously corrupt!
The biggest issue I can see is that they’ve screwed with the food supply, and through taxation and subsidies, making some ingredients unhealthy. Then, they’ve had propaganda churned out by the government to convince people that they need to eat lots of “whole grains” and such. Consequently, almost all processed foods are loaded with high fructose corn syrup (after lobbying by big agriculture and cane sugar tariffs for big sugar) and other sugars, unhealthy seed oils, etc. So, we’re all fat, borderline diabetic, with all sorts of metabolic diseases. If we’d just go back to eating basic meats and (limited) vegetables, everyone would be off their meds and a lot happier, I think. Now, with all the “climate change” nonsense, they are pushing for reduced meat (because “cow farts”) which will make the situation even worse.
So true … my central thesis is that we’re in a state of managed decline, purposefully so. Our governments and their owners recognise that a prosperous, free, healthy, happy and intelligent society is “dangerous” … they aren’t easily controlled because collectively they work together, don’t hate each other, and can ultimately give government the middle finger - they don’t NEED the government. So those who crave power and control as they have done for centuries have set about purposefully diminishing and destroying our society, economy, health system, the academy and culture … replacing it with division and malfunction and scientific fraud like the climate crisis etc all to ensure people seek refuge in government edicts and systems of control. It’s actually fiendishly simple in my opinion and to me tends to answer most of the questions starting with “But why would they …?” The answer is they hate us, worship power and control and even for the few “noble” types trying to save us from Climate Catastrophe, the “greater good” argument means that any and all actions and decisions that are taken are justified, no matter the consequences for society provided they truly believe in the lies.
Yep, I think we see the world basically the same way (correctly! 😀).
Very well said Greg.
“ if people are well, they lose their customer base. I recognise that this is an oversimplification and many hundreds of nuances exist within this worldview, but it doesn’t mean the central tenet is false. Recognising so-called “anti-vaxxers” are indeed correct is a massive kick in the balls to many who had trust in these systems”