Mike is a dad and engineer. He has been pro-vax his whole life. He describes himself as, “a lifelong skeptic, admirer of Richard Feynman, James Randi, and Carl Sagan.” I came across Mike in the comments under Paul Offit’s Substack post, in which Offit argues for vaccinating kids against Covid. Pro-vax American oncologist David Gorski jumped into the comments with a question: Why do some generally pro-vax parents vaccinate their kids with the routine schedule, but not the Covid vaccine? Gorski insinuated that parents of this type think that children’s lives are expendable. So Mike bit.
"we try really hard to make a vaccine and despite our best efforts"
- Pfizer et al didn't try really hard, nor put their best efforts in. They unblinded their clinical trial after 2 (? or 3) months, did not check for actual translation product in vitro, removed AE participants from the trial, etc, etc. Typical pharma fraud.
"It's ok if it didn't work."
- true IFF
1. it was not mandated on threat of job loss / societal segregation
2. there were no adverse events
clearly neither of which were true. It didn't work but its delivery was mandated and its results were harmful.
Otherwise, it's good to see a cogent response to what sounds like a shill blogger.
One doesn’t need to be a genius to know the covid vaccines are bad, but it takes a great deal of effort to understand why ALL of the other vaccines are also bad.
Interesting to see that take on the vaccine. That line of argument probably has more influence on vaccine enthusiasts than the completely opposing view. However he completely skips the maliciousness of what has gone on. Mandates causing people to lose jobs. Unnecessary vaccination of young people leading to death. Same goes for frail elderly people. Thanks for reporting this Rebekah.
Articulate response by Mike. But, perhaps there is more research in store for him to dig into the story of vaccines. Especially the current US Schedule, how it came to be, the background on each and the history as a whole.
Pro-vaxxers like Mike abused and harassed mothers who were hesitant to continue the CDC schedule after seeing their infants suffer adverse reactions to vaccines. NOW, they want grace and understanding? Eff u, Mike. Eff u.
Myself, I was starting to question the mainstream vaccine narrative for a few years before covid hit... but I was never a vehement anti-vaxxer until this last round of BS was imposed on us.
As many people have said, this has done more to destroy trust in the medical profession (and in particular, the pharmaceutical wing) than anything else in recent history.
Once you realise that the government is capable of blatantly lying to us, everything changes.
That's a pretty major turning point, because most of us can't really comprehend the extent of the lies. (I still find it hard.)
Because most of us are not psychopaths - we have some sort of moral compass that guides us, and even though we all err from time to time, we feel guilty about it when we do.
These psychopaths, on the other hand, will lie over and over, if it is to their benefit - or sometimes even just because they can.
One day, they may find their own special place in hell. Until then, the rest of us need to be aware and protect ourselves. And our kids.
Apr 10, 2023·edited Apr 10, 2023Liked by Rebekah Barnett
If Mike or anyone else reading this needs to hear it, MMR vaccines do not 'work' for most definitions of 'work'. What we are observing in his claim that they 'work' is both an illusion of agency bias, and a successful propaganda, censorship and disinformation campaign.
Mike probably hasn't read "Turtles All The Way Down".
Standard practice by pharma in the childhood vaccine trials is to NOT use saline in the control groups; instead, they use a prior vaccine for the latest updated version (e.g. DTaP) or give a different vaccine altogether. This causes the control group to have similar numbers of AE to the new drug and then the regulators pass this off as acceptable. Criminal behaviour to any rational being, but they just don't care.
That pretty much sums up my wife’s and my thinking at the time.
We had the “courage of our convictions” and paid the price of a 24-48 hour mild COVID episode apiece (well, we think...we’ve never bothered to take one of the tests either - I mean, what would be the point?
While I respect Mike’s thorough response, I can’t fathom how or why so many like him - the smartest people in the room, the professional/executive/entrepreneur class - simply can’t make the leap to “actually none of these vaccines are good for you or particularly effective AT ALL” … this has been such a fascinating exercise in cognitive dissonance and group psychology, watching otherwise cogent, intelligent, educated people go through great pains to manifest their public support for a shibboleth like “Public Health” or “Big Medicine” simply because they’re at great pains to profess their in-group bonafides … “we’re smart people who believe the right things so if you disagree with us that means YOU are wrong” … it’s the Dilbert guy, Scott Adams, playbook all over again … “if I’M very smart, then I obviously followed the science, but if YOU aren’t as smart as me, then YOU must just have been lucky with your idiocy as the science somehow was wrong despite smart people like me producing it”. Science is a faith now, a secular faith … lab coats have replaced robes, and “safe and effective” has replaced “peace be with you”.
Some private interest tried very hard to avoid to apply any scientific analysis on possible problems and oversight. Obstruction of justice was neither a mistake nor bad luck. It was deliberate and offensive fraud and racketeering..
Well written. Thanks for posting. That was pretty much my thought process. Interestingly, though, I'm now starting to come around to the anti-vax side of things. I've generally been pro-vax all my life, but this recent debacle has caused me to look deeper into the science around vaccines, and what I'm finding is that there mostly isn't one. Basically, it appears like it's a no-liability give-away to pharma. I have a quite laissez faire perspective on economics, and I don't scream "big pharma!" as a knee-jerk reaction. I think we need drugs and we need pharma companies to make those drugs. But vaccines seem to have been largely a scam where government mandates certain vaccine schedules, pharma pumps out vaccines and gets rich, some kids get harmed, other kids don't get harmed but don't seem to get much benefit, and there is nobody to hold accountable because government gave pharma immunity. If the product was good and worked as advertised, why would they need immunity?
Only disagree with 2 of his points:
"we try really hard to make a vaccine and despite our best efforts"
- Pfizer et al didn't try really hard, nor put their best efforts in. They unblinded their clinical trial after 2 (? or 3) months, did not check for actual translation product in vitro, removed AE participants from the trial, etc, etc. Typical pharma fraud.
"It's ok if it didn't work."
- true IFF
1. it was not mandated on threat of job loss / societal segregation
2. there were no adverse events
clearly neither of which were true. It didn't work but its delivery was mandated and its results were harmful.
Otherwise, it's good to see a cogent response to what sounds like a shill blogger.
I wonder if Mike would have a different opinion on childhood vaccines if one of his kids had an adverse reaction...
One doesn’t need to be a genius to know the covid vaccines are bad, but it takes a great deal of effort to understand why ALL of the other vaccines are also bad.
Interesting to see that take on the vaccine. That line of argument probably has more influence on vaccine enthusiasts than the completely opposing view. However he completely skips the maliciousness of what has gone on. Mandates causing people to lose jobs. Unnecessary vaccination of young people leading to death. Same goes for frail elderly people. Thanks for reporting this Rebekah.
Articulate response by Mike. But, perhaps there is more research in store for him to dig into the story of vaccines. Especially the current US Schedule, how it came to be, the background on each and the history as a whole.
Pro-vaxxers like Mike abused and harassed mothers who were hesitant to continue the CDC schedule after seeing their infants suffer adverse reactions to vaccines. NOW, they want grace and understanding? Eff u, Mike. Eff u.
Thanks for this.
So now, applying the language of today, Mike should be described as an ‘anti-vaxxer’. Or a ‘cooker’, in Australia.
Great to see someone with their thinking cap on!
Myself, I was starting to question the mainstream vaccine narrative for a few years before covid hit... but I was never a vehement anti-vaxxer until this last round of BS was imposed on us.
As many people have said, this has done more to destroy trust in the medical profession (and in particular, the pharmaceutical wing) than anything else in recent history.
Once you realise that the government is capable of blatantly lying to us, everything changes.
That's a pretty major turning point, because most of us can't really comprehend the extent of the lies. (I still find it hard.)
Because most of us are not psychopaths - we have some sort of moral compass that guides us, and even though we all err from time to time, we feel guilty about it when we do.
These psychopaths, on the other hand, will lie over and over, if it is to their benefit - or sometimes even just because they can.
One day, they may find their own special place in hell. Until then, the rest of us need to be aware and protect ourselves. And our kids.
If Mike or anyone else reading this needs to hear it, MMR vaccines do not 'work' for most definitions of 'work'. What we are observing in his claim that they 'work' is both an illusion of agency bias, and a successful propaganda, censorship and disinformation campaign.
https://thetruthaboutvaccines.com/wp-content/uploads/Vaxxed-Unvaxxed-Parts-I-IX-1.pdf
https://vactruth.com/2016/02/18/mmr-vaccine/
edit - see also Owain's helpful comment in this thread referencing a Mid Western Doctor.
Mike probably hasn't read "Turtles All The Way Down".
Standard practice by pharma in the childhood vaccine trials is to NOT use saline in the control groups; instead, they use a prior vaccine for the latest updated version (e.g. DTaP) or give a different vaccine altogether. This causes the control group to have similar numbers of AE to the new drug and then the regulators pass this off as acceptable. Criminal behaviour to any rational being, but they just don't care.
That pretty much sums up my wife’s and my thinking at the time.
We had the “courage of our convictions” and paid the price of a 24-48 hour mild COVID episode apiece (well, we think...we’ve never bothered to take one of the tests either - I mean, what would be the point?
Thanks Rebekah.
Reasonable to point out that baby & infant "vaccinations" have been causing harm for a very long time.
https://ia601302.us.archive.org/12/items/MurderByInjection.EustaceMullins/Murder%20by%20Injection.%20Eustace%20Mullins.pdf
If only I could get my science teacher sister to read this. She would and literally may rather actually die.
While I respect Mike’s thorough response, I can’t fathom how or why so many like him - the smartest people in the room, the professional/executive/entrepreneur class - simply can’t make the leap to “actually none of these vaccines are good for you or particularly effective AT ALL” … this has been such a fascinating exercise in cognitive dissonance and group psychology, watching otherwise cogent, intelligent, educated people go through great pains to manifest their public support for a shibboleth like “Public Health” or “Big Medicine” simply because they’re at great pains to profess their in-group bonafides … “we’re smart people who believe the right things so if you disagree with us that means YOU are wrong” … it’s the Dilbert guy, Scott Adams, playbook all over again … “if I’M very smart, then I obviously followed the science, but if YOU aren’t as smart as me, then YOU must just have been lucky with your idiocy as the science somehow was wrong despite smart people like me producing it”. Science is a faith now, a secular faith … lab coats have replaced robes, and “safe and effective” has replaced “peace be with you”.
"we tried really hard, and it didn't work out"
Some private interest tried very hard to avoid to apply any scientific analysis on possible problems and oversight. Obstruction of justice was neither a mistake nor bad luck. It was deliberate and offensive fraud and racketeering..
Well written. Thanks for posting. That was pretty much my thought process. Interestingly, though, I'm now starting to come around to the anti-vax side of things. I've generally been pro-vax all my life, but this recent debacle has caused me to look deeper into the science around vaccines, and what I'm finding is that there mostly isn't one. Basically, it appears like it's a no-liability give-away to pharma. I have a quite laissez faire perspective on economics, and I don't scream "big pharma!" as a knee-jerk reaction. I think we need drugs and we need pharma companies to make those drugs. But vaccines seem to have been largely a scam where government mandates certain vaccine schedules, pharma pumps out vaccines and gets rich, some kids get harmed, other kids don't get harmed but don't seem to get much benefit, and there is nobody to hold accountable because government gave pharma immunity. If the product was good and worked as advertised, why would they need immunity?