A few years ago I asked my Mum if I had measles as a child, and she recalled me having measles around 18 months of age (this would be 1961, in London, and wouldn't have been verified by a 'test').
She was a young mother, only 19 years old and I was her first child. She was shocked to see her baby covered in spots and called the doctor to the house. Mum recalled the doctor said I had measles, but told her not to worry, they would just run their course (a rather more benign message than we receive nowadays...)
Mum said the spots lasted about ten days and I did not seem to be too adversely affected. She said "it did not put you off your food in any way" and "you used to sleep right through the night from 10.00 pm to 6.00 am." This was in the days when most mothers were home with their children.
In 2012 I had serological testing (i.e. a blood test) to check my immunity for measles, mumps and rubella. According to these tests I understand I'm 'protected'. It seems I have natural immunity to measles due to having this disease as a child. Somehow I must have had exposure to mumps too, but I do not recall having obvious symptoms of this disease. It's likely I had rubella vaccination as a girl, but I wonder about this now, as I wonder about all vaccine interventions.
Since the Covid debacle, I wonder about this entire area of 'health' - does any so-called 'expert' actually have any idea what they're talking about?
They seemed to be clueless during 'Covid'.
This area is awash with conflicts of interest, with 'vaccine solutions' for an ever-increasing number of diseases being foisted upon mass populations, and with pHarma dominating policy, and the medical 'profession' keen to play along.
We have no idea of the cumulative effect of all these vaccine products and revaccinations on the 'womb to tomb' vaccination schedule. Do doctors, nurses or pharmacists ever wonder about this?
Any questioning of vaccination has been suppressed over the years, with people labelled as 'anti-vaxxers' for seeking transparency and accountability for these medical interventions.
We need a review of the entire taxpayer-funded vaccination schedule, urgently.
I also wonder just how accurate those serological tests are! Many studies have found that people who succumbed to so-called 'vaccine-preventable' diseases, actually had high antibody titres.
As a parent of children who were not vaccinated in the late 1980’s the go to was homeopathy. Homeopathy has been treating diseases for 200 years. It’s safe, effective and works surprisingly quickly. I urge any parent to watch ‘just one drop’ or ‘introducing homeopathy’. A kit at home can last a lifetime so is incredibly cheap. That’s why Big Pharma have been trying to get rid of it. It is still the second most used medical system in the world.
Mid boomer here with siblings who caught the whole box and dice, back in the days when Mums worked solely at at home. The Mums knew the drill and the older ones counselled (and consoled!) the young new Mums, reassuring and advising. We had daily dose of C.L.O (cod liver oil) and had to play ouside the house (Vit D). When an illness hit we were put to bed with extra blankets to keep the temperature up, regular fluids included egg-flips (eggs whisked up with milk, cream and vanilla) and chicken soup. Definitely NO sweets and NO sugar — the old women in the family were adamant that sugar ruined the immune response. Nourishment was given ONLY when awake - we slept uniterrupted - which was considered v important. With those of us under 10yo Mum had us sick with the childhood diseases at one time or another. We got sick, then got better. Job well done from my Mum who managed all her ten kids by herself. Lots if big families then - the lady up the road had fifteen. No one ever needed hospital for any childhood illness — the Mums' grapevine would've been all over that. No one in our 15K town died either (not one kid - over the 47 years Mum & Dad lived there) We all played something — netball, tennis or footy, and anything like death or bad news in a town that small, spreads like wildfire. Whoopteedoo..... kids get sick, recover, immune system more robust. We had GOOD nutrition! Free ranged our own chooks and grew our own vegies with no herbicides. Plenty of walking, playing in fresh air and sunshine. Lots of physical activities, like endless skipping throughout the year - except hot days. Could it be we were actually stronger back then? Are children being treated too preciously now, making them inadvertently fragile?
Trick is to focus on raising kids in a robust way - lots of outdoor activities in the sunshine, with awareness to avoid sunburn. Good quality nutrition, no crap food or "treats". We will never vaccinate death away. Our reliability on pharma is now beyond absurd.
It would be great if you could repost your comment at https://news.rebekahbarnett.com.au/p/measles-a-balanced-perspective-6c7 so others can read it. I love the way you frame it as "Mums worked solely at home" - emphasis on work! The phrase 'stay at home Mum' is so dismissive of the vital work that mothers carry out in raising their children.
He was fine - just a mild case and a healthy 9-year-old. The doctor diagnosed it so likely also reported it. I had measles & mumps as a kid without issues - we all did and there were only a few vaccinations back then (tetanus/diphtheria, polio, tb & rubella).
Adding that my son had a severe vomiting reaction to the MMR shot (a known issue) and I was close to taking him to the hospital as he couldn't keep fluids down.
Why are boys expected to line up for the rubella portion of the MMR jab when infection is "mild and self-limiting" according to the Oz immunisation handbook? Are they supposed to take one for the team to somehow avoid passing it to their pregnant mothers, sorry, 'birthing persons', for whom rubella could be a problem for them and their unborn child? If that's the main justification, what data is there to inform parents what the risk/benefit matrix looks like for that?
No valid placebo control for MMR jabs (nor for most of the others on the schedule either) and, quoting from their notes:
"M-M-R-II trials totaled only 834 children and a third developed gastrointestinal issues and a
third respiratory issues. In Priorix trial, both vaccine groups had high rate of serious adverse
events, emergency room visits, and new chronic diseases (e.g., autoimmune disorders,
asthma, type I diabetes, celiac, and allergies). See Table 6 of the Supplementary Materials."
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Can anyone please advise on the use of calcifediol supplements during infection to support immune function, especially given the time delay for vitD supplementation to kick in and parents rarely knowing if their child (or themselves for that matter) went into the infection with vitD deficiency anyway? Is calcifediol supplementation useful and safe and in what contexts?
Thanks again. Fantastic to have a one-stop resource like this article.
You are 100% correct about administering the rubella vaccine to boys - it's not presented as a benefit to them, since rubella is so mild, but as a community benefit, to prevent transmission to pregnant women (yes, WOMEN - the only people who can get pregnant). Parents aren't given the opportunity to reject this for their sons, as the rubella shot is no longer available separately, but only as part of the MMR and MMRV.
Perfectly true re no placebo-controlled testing of the MMR vaccine; we touched on this briefly in the webinar, and also on the adverse effects of the vaccine.
There's some evidence that calcifediol works somewhat better than vitamin D for acute infections (e.g. see https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-021-02701-5) but the evidence base is quite small at this point.
Regarding rubella jabs, if the overriding justification is so pregnant women can avoid their unborn child developing congenital rubella syndrome, perhaps the community would be best served addressing why those women are serologically negative (if that's the best test?) to begin with. Last time I checked, a 12-month-old infant (the age recommended for the MMR jab) of either gender, cannot bear children, so we have this wonderful, natural, decade or so long window for natural exposure to rubella before it's even going to be a potentially significant issue. Thereafter, there's still a good window for serological testing of girls and young women and if that's deemed too expensive then simply a blanket recommendation for them to get the rubella jab.
Whilst I don't want to put ideas into the heads of our public health overlords, if they are going to keep appealing to herd immunity or community benefit justifications we should at least be asking why, if these things are so important, we haven't, for 30 or more years, demanded positive serological test results at the border and have accepted various cultural and religious objections to vaccination. Our overlords might have something to gain from the perpetual and pointless striving for the mirage of herd immunity, which I respectfully suggest, isn't an improvement in public health, rather the exact opposite.
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Will most definitely watch the video when I get back to a good internet connection. Thanks.
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Thank you for that link to the calcifediol study. I'm surprised they looked at it in that longer-term context, given I thought its best use was as a fast acting boost to a challenged immunity. Really interesting to see the results dropping the longer it's used. Here's a small pilot study from Cordoba:
It would be great to read more studies if anyone has any, because it strikes me as a very effective and wonderfully ubiquitous immune system support in cases where we really need a short-term boost to quickly replenish any immunity ammo depleted by the ongoing battle.
Very important point on the lack of an inert placebo-controlled trial for Priorix and M-M-R-II, both of which I see feature on ICAN's chart that you linked.
Robyn or Ian may be able to answer your question on calcifediol supplements.
If there's a silver lining to the covid fiasco, I hope its that more of us are no longer blindly following all vaccination recommendations but instead we now consider it our civic duty to both current and future generations to scrutinise everything we once believed but never verified.
I already know a lot about measles vax. I couldn't be bothered to read your whole spiel, so went straight to Number 12. What you say there is limp to say the least. Corrupt MSM presented these clearly as measles deaths that would have been saved by the vax. That is a lie. And it is crystal clear to anyone with medical knowledge that it is a lie. You were so weak on that, that I now have to regard you as Controlled Opposition.
Such a shame Stefan Lanka proved definitively in 2015 that there is no evidence there is a "measles virus", offered EU$100,000 to anyone who could prove otherwise, 1 German virologist shoved some science papers at him to claim the prize, got taken to the German High Court and there Lanka demonstrated that the science of the measles "virus" is really methodological pseudoscience.
The measles vaccine doesnt even stop measles, as Quebec discovered in 2011. It is a scam, a rort and completely unnecessary.
To discover the truth doesn’t mean you need to be a brain surgeon
A couple of hours researching how they find the ‘virus’ claim it’s isolated and then how it fails every attempt at contagion - a year 7 kid could do it
But it appears many seemingly intelligent capable people claiming to be part of the freedom community are unable to
Destroy the virus myth you destroy any need for vaccines
I was said to have had 'measles' in the mid1960s on a cruise ship when I was 4. I was confined to the sick bay for a week.
I disagree with Dr Joe in his emphasis on worst case scenario. Focussing on unlikely worst case rather than on average case has driven a lot of poor/crippling regulation/red tape.
Natural immunity is clearly the best immunity and shit does happen. Yep, there will occasionally be deaths. That is part of life. And measles is not ebola FFS.
Looking at the graphs it seems the post war development of penicillin had more impact on the measles mortality rate than the vaccine, furthermore.
I advocate 'letting rip', which is what should have happened back in March 2020 wrt convid.
Disease seems to thrive on/in unhealthy people so the emphasis ought to be on getting healthy.
Worst comes to worse, those badly affected by a disease can be treated.
I'm a 'measles survivor'...
A few years ago I asked my Mum if I had measles as a child, and she recalled me having measles around 18 months of age (this would be 1961, in London, and wouldn't have been verified by a 'test').
She was a young mother, only 19 years old and I was her first child. She was shocked to see her baby covered in spots and called the doctor to the house. Mum recalled the doctor said I had measles, but told her not to worry, they would just run their course (a rather more benign message than we receive nowadays...)
Mum said the spots lasted about ten days and I did not seem to be too adversely affected. She said "it did not put you off your food in any way" and "you used to sleep right through the night from 10.00 pm to 6.00 am." This was in the days when most mothers were home with their children.
In 2012 I had serological testing (i.e. a blood test) to check my immunity for measles, mumps and rubella. According to these tests I understand I'm 'protected'. It seems I have natural immunity to measles due to having this disease as a child. Somehow I must have had exposure to mumps too, but I do not recall having obvious symptoms of this disease. It's likely I had rubella vaccination as a girl, but I wonder about this now, as I wonder about all vaccine interventions.
Since the Covid debacle, I wonder about this entire area of 'health' - does any so-called 'expert' actually have any idea what they're talking about?
They seemed to be clueless during 'Covid'.
This area is awash with conflicts of interest, with 'vaccine solutions' for an ever-increasing number of diseases being foisted upon mass populations, and with pHarma dominating policy, and the medical 'profession' keen to play along.
We have no idea of the cumulative effect of all these vaccine products and revaccinations on the 'womb to tomb' vaccination schedule. Do doctors, nurses or pharmacists ever wonder about this?
Any questioning of vaccination has been suppressed over the years, with people labelled as 'anti-vaxxers' for seeking transparency and accountability for these medical interventions.
We need a review of the entire taxpayer-funded vaccination schedule, urgently.
I also wonder just how accurate those serological tests are! Many studies have found that people who succumbed to so-called 'vaccine-preventable' diseases, actually had high antibody titres.
If you have antibodies for the measles, flu, Covid you are allegedly immune
You have HIV antibodies - well that means you are going to die!!
Dr Tom Cowan:
As far as I can tell, *ANTIBODIES MEAN NOTHING.*
Tom is sharing with us 3 real life stories/examples from his own practice as a family doctor for 37 years.
(starts 11:40- 19:48)
https://www.bitchute.com/video/qHT6DAOs0uzE/
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"run its course". Ah, music to the ears. Too much reliance upon formal medicine these days and placing people into protective bubbles.
As a parent of children who were not vaccinated in the late 1980’s the go to was homeopathy. Homeopathy has been treating diseases for 200 years. It’s safe, effective and works surprisingly quickly. I urge any parent to watch ‘just one drop’ or ‘introducing homeopathy’. A kit at home can last a lifetime so is incredibly cheap. That’s why Big Pharma have been trying to get rid of it. It is still the second most used medical system in the world.
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Mid boomer here with siblings who caught the whole box and dice, back in the days when Mums worked solely at at home. The Mums knew the drill and the older ones counselled (and consoled!) the young new Mums, reassuring and advising. We had daily dose of C.L.O (cod liver oil) and had to play ouside the house (Vit D). When an illness hit we were put to bed with extra blankets to keep the temperature up, regular fluids included egg-flips (eggs whisked up with milk, cream and vanilla) and chicken soup. Definitely NO sweets and NO sugar — the old women in the family were adamant that sugar ruined the immune response. Nourishment was given ONLY when awake - we slept uniterrupted - which was considered v important. With those of us under 10yo Mum had us sick with the childhood diseases at one time or another. We got sick, then got better. Job well done from my Mum who managed all her ten kids by herself. Lots if big families then - the lady up the road had fifteen. No one ever needed hospital for any childhood illness — the Mums' grapevine would've been all over that. No one in our 15K town died either (not one kid - over the 47 years Mum & Dad lived there) We all played something — netball, tennis or footy, and anything like death or bad news in a town that small, spreads like wildfire. Whoopteedoo..... kids get sick, recover, immune system more robust. We had GOOD nutrition! Free ranged our own chooks and grew our own vegies with no herbicides. Plenty of walking, playing in fresh air and sunshine. Lots of physical activities, like endless skipping throughout the year - except hot days. Could it be we were actually stronger back then? Are children being treated too preciously now, making them inadvertently fragile?
Trick is to focus on raising kids in a robust way - lots of outdoor activities in the sunshine, with awareness to avoid sunburn. Good quality nutrition, no crap food or "treats". We will never vaccinate death away. Our reliability on pharma is now beyond absurd.
It would be great if you could repost your comment at https://news.rebekahbarnett.com.au/p/measles-a-balanced-perspective-6c7 so others can read it. I love the way you frame it as "Mums worked solely at home" - emphasis on work! The phrase 'stay at home Mum' is so dismissive of the vital work that mothers carry out in raising their children.
Thank you
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Thank you
My son had measles in 2015 (in Australia, so not eradicated). He was vaccinated.
Did he go ok with it? How old was he?
He was fine - just a mild case and a healthy 9-year-old. The doctor diagnosed it so likely also reported it. I had measles & mumps as a kid without issues - we all did and there were only a few vaccinations back then (tetanus/diphtheria, polio, tb & rubella).
Adding that my son had a severe vomiting reaction to the MMR shot (a known issue) and I was close to taking him to the hospital as he couldn't keep fluids down.
Thank you for this.
Why are boys expected to line up for the rubella portion of the MMR jab when infection is "mild and self-limiting" according to the Oz immunisation handbook? Are they supposed to take one for the team to somehow avoid passing it to their pregnant mothers, sorry, 'birthing persons', for whom rubella could be a problem for them and their unborn child? If that's the main justification, what data is there to inform parents what the risk/benefit matrix looks like for that?
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ICAN did a deep dive on childhood jab trials:
https://icandecide.org/article/childhood-vaccine-trials-summary-chart/
No valid placebo control for MMR jabs (nor for most of the others on the schedule either) and, quoting from their notes:
"M-M-R-II trials totaled only 834 children and a third developed gastrointestinal issues and a
third respiratory issues. In Priorix trial, both vaccine groups had high rate of serious adverse
events, emergency room visits, and new chronic diseases (e.g., autoimmune disorders,
asthma, type I diabetes, celiac, and allergies). See Table 6 of the Supplementary Materials."
------------
Can anyone please advise on the use of calcifediol supplements during infection to support immune function, especially given the time delay for vitD supplementation to kick in and parents rarely knowing if their child (or themselves for that matter) went into the infection with vitD deficiency anyway? Is calcifediol supplementation useful and safe and in what contexts?
Thanks again. Fantastic to have a one-stop resource like this article.
You are 100% correct about administering the rubella vaccine to boys - it's not presented as a benefit to them, since rubella is so mild, but as a community benefit, to prevent transmission to pregnant women (yes, WOMEN - the only people who can get pregnant). Parents aren't given the opportunity to reject this for their sons, as the rubella shot is no longer available separately, but only as part of the MMR and MMRV.
Perfectly true re no placebo-controlled testing of the MMR vaccine; we touched on this briefly in the webinar, and also on the adverse effects of the vaccine.
There's some evidence that calcifediol works somewhat better than vitamin D for acute infections (e.g. see https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-021-02701-5) but the evidence base is quite small at this point.
Thank you very much for that info.
Regarding rubella jabs, if the overriding justification is so pregnant women can avoid their unborn child developing congenital rubella syndrome, perhaps the community would be best served addressing why those women are serologically negative (if that's the best test?) to begin with. Last time I checked, a 12-month-old infant (the age recommended for the MMR jab) of either gender, cannot bear children, so we have this wonderful, natural, decade or so long window for natural exposure to rubella before it's even going to be a potentially significant issue. Thereafter, there's still a good window for serological testing of girls and young women and if that's deemed too expensive then simply a blanket recommendation for them to get the rubella jab.
Whilst I don't want to put ideas into the heads of our public health overlords, if they are going to keep appealing to herd immunity or community benefit justifications we should at least be asking why, if these things are so important, we haven't, for 30 or more years, demanded positive serological test results at the border and have accepted various cultural and religious objections to vaccination. Our overlords might have something to gain from the perpetual and pointless striving for the mirage of herd immunity, which I respectfully suggest, isn't an improvement in public health, rather the exact opposite.
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Will most definitely watch the video when I get back to a good internet connection. Thanks.
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Thank you for that link to the calcifediol study. I'm surprised they looked at it in that longer-term context, given I thought its best use was as a fast acting boost to a challenged immunity. Really interesting to see the results dropping the longer it's used. Here's a small pilot study from Cordoba:
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32871238/
and a larger one from Barcelona:
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC8344647/
Both showing significantly good outcomes.
It would be great to read more studies if anyone has any, because it strikes me as a very effective and wonderfully ubiquitous immune system support in cases where we really need a short-term boost to quickly replenish any immunity ammo depleted by the ongoing battle.
Very important point on the lack of an inert placebo-controlled trial for Priorix and M-M-R-II, both of which I see feature on ICAN's chart that you linked.
Robyn or Ian may be able to answer your question on calcifediol supplements.
If there's a silver lining to the covid fiasco, I hope its that more of us are no longer blindly following all vaccination recommendations but instead we now consider it our civic duty to both current and future generations to scrutinise everything we once believed but never verified.
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Question. Have we also seen the MMR shots transitioned to the mRNA platform?
No, not yet, but a clear intention to replace all current vaccines with mRNA versions has been expressed by advocates for the technology.
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Your initiative is much appreciated and a valuable learning facility. Thanks to all participating practitioners.
I already know a lot about measles vax. I couldn't be bothered to read your whole spiel, so went straight to Number 12. What you say there is limp to say the least. Corrupt MSM presented these clearly as measles deaths that would have been saved by the vax. That is a lie. And it is crystal clear to anyone with medical knowledge that it is a lie. You were so weak on that, that I now have to regard you as Controlled Opposition.
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Don't hold back, Keith. Do not feel constrained by matters of diplomacy or chivalry.
🤡
Such a shame Stefan Lanka proved definitively in 2015 that there is no evidence there is a "measles virus", offered EU$100,000 to anyone who could prove otherwise, 1 German virologist shoved some science papers at him to claim the prize, got taken to the German High Court and there Lanka demonstrated that the science of the measles "virus" is really methodological pseudoscience.
The measles vaccine doesnt even stop measles, as Quebec discovered in 2011. It is a scam, a rort and completely unnecessary.
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The really weird thing is ….
To discover the truth doesn’t mean you need to be a brain surgeon
A couple of hours researching how they find the ‘virus’ claim it’s isolated and then how it fails every attempt at contagion - a year 7 kid could do it
But it appears many seemingly intelligent capable people claiming to be part of the freedom community are unable to
Destroy the virus myth you destroy any need for vaccines
Or else we are going around in circles
Dr Sam Bailey explains it quite well here
https://drsambailey.com/resources/videos/viruses-unplugged/the-truth-about-viruses/
The initial studies that were carried out in the 1950’s to find and isolate the measles ‘virus’ are fraudulent and don’t do what they claim.
If there is a measles ‘virus’ they have not found it, isolated it and proven it contagious
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_tuduRT2HS4
Reminds me of the plandemic.
The Chief Medical Officer of China stating that they never isolated the virus.
More and more coming to light about viruses - very challenging for us who had thought viruses did exist, as how we were taught.
Some info here waaaay out on skinny branches, but interesting food for thought and discussion:
https://rumble.com/v6swgnr-jon-rappoport.html?e9s=src_v1_ucp
By the 1950s Measles mortality rate had already declined by 98% compared to 1900.
This was likely due
to better living conditions with improve sanitation and nutrition.
By the time the Measles vaccine became available in the 1960s it was no longer a mortally threat to most American children
Proponents like to give credit for the large fall and the number of measles cases, and its mortality rate to vaccination .
This is objectively false and incorrect .
Credit to: Dissolving Illusions (book)
Absolutely. We discussed this in the webinar, and in the article, and I laid out the evidence in detail in https://robynchuter.substack.com/p/beating-measles-with-toilets-the, which is linked to in this article.
I was said to have had 'measles' in the mid1960s on a cruise ship when I was 4. I was confined to the sick bay for a week.
I disagree with Dr Joe in his emphasis on worst case scenario. Focussing on unlikely worst case rather than on average case has driven a lot of poor/crippling regulation/red tape.
Natural immunity is clearly the best immunity and shit does happen. Yep, there will occasionally be deaths. That is part of life. And measles is not ebola FFS.
Looking at the graphs it seems the post war development of penicillin had more impact on the measles mortality rate than the vaccine, furthermore.
I advocate 'letting rip', which is what should have happened back in March 2020 wrt convid.
Disease seems to thrive on/in unhealthy people so the emphasis ought to be on getting healthy.
Worst comes to worse, those badly affected by a disease can be treated.
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Agree with emphasis on getting healthy - major focus of Ian Brighthope's work.