In this case, my read is that the judiciary interpreted the law correctly. I think the problem in this specific case is the law, not the judiciary. WA has some really problematic laws, quite police state-y, and I suspect this is what Ben was getting at when he said think about who you vote for and the kind of laws they will support (or move to repeal).
Rebekah, it’s important to consider what ‘National Cabinet’ and the AHPPC did in imposing vaccine mandates. (See links in my original comment.)
They trashed voluntary informed consent by imposing vaccine mandates, e.g. Mark McGowan in WA and Daniel Andrews in Victoria, along with the rest and the AHPPC.
It’s important that the federal government has confirmed “Informed consent should be obtained for every COVID-19 vaccination, as per usual consent procedures for other vaccinations”, see letters received by me and my colleague Emma McArthur:
It’s not possible to give voluntary informed consent under a mandate, under threat of penalty for refusing to comply, e.g. losing livelihood and participation in society.
What’s the point of being ‘informed’ if people are mandated to submit to the medical intervention anyway?!
There’s an obvious clash between the advice from the federal government on informed consent and National Cabinet and AHPPC vaccine mandates.
What a shambles!
The bottom line… People can’t give voluntary informed consent under a mandate.
The courts are a disaster area, this matter needs to be aired thoroughly in the court of public opinion. How do we do this with the mainsteam media being a censoring propaganda machine, and with the taxpayer-funded ABC and SBS being worse than useless in providing critical analysis of the Covid debacle?
Yes, it's just that in the court they only deal with one argument at a time I suppose -so in this case they contested the Commissioner's authority, not whether employees were fully informed.
So just to make myself clear, I’m saying this should never have got to court in the first place, because the medical profession should have refused to inject people under duress, they should have known this was violating voluntary informed consent.
And if the practitioners had refused to collaborate, none of this would have happened…
But everyone has the intrinsic freedom to not comply. My right to not consent is far more fundamental to freedom for all of us than a doctor shoulda woulda coulda not violating "voluntary informed consent."
Also consider that in July/August 2021, the Morrison government LIED to practitioners about them having specific indemnity for administering the COVID-19 vaccinations - they DON’T have this specific indemnity.
My point is this is being fought on the wrong grounds.
We should be fighting for voluntary informed consent. The main point being the practitioners shouldn’t have collaborated with vaccine mandates - see "Doctor, I don't want the vaccine." What happens next? https://elizabethhart.substack.com/p/doctor-i-dont-want-the-vaccine
The problem is the legal practitioners that side with the government, however obliquely! I've seen it with farmers and now jab abstainers. They take your money and run! Don't blame the judges or the law - it's the greedy Masonic lawyers that are to blame!!! 😡
In this case, my read is that the judiciary interpreted the law correctly. I think the problem in this specific case is the law, not the judiciary. WA has some really problematic laws, quite police state-y, and I suspect this is what Ben was getting at when he said think about who you vote for and the kind of laws they will support (or move to repeal).
Rebekah, it’s important to consider what ‘National Cabinet’ and the AHPPC did in imposing vaccine mandates. (See links in my original comment.)
They trashed voluntary informed consent by imposing vaccine mandates, e.g. Mark McGowan in WA and Daniel Andrews in Victoria, along with the rest and the AHPPC.
It’s important that the federal government has confirmed “Informed consent should be obtained for every COVID-19 vaccination, as per usual consent procedures for other vaccinations”, see letters received by me and my colleague Emma McArthur:
- Department of Health 21 December 2021: https://humanityattheprecipice.wordpress.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/03/doh-reply-21-12-2021.pdf
17 November 2022 Department of Health and Aged Care: https://vaccinationispolitical.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/11/mc22-018819-signed-highlighted-1.pdf
It’s not possible to give voluntary informed consent under a mandate, under threat of penalty for refusing to comply, e.g. losing livelihood and participation in society.
What’s the point of being ‘informed’ if people are mandated to submit to the medical intervention anyway?!
There’s an obvious clash between the advice from the federal government on informed consent and National Cabinet and AHPPC vaccine mandates.
What a shambles!
The bottom line… People can’t give voluntary informed consent under a mandate.
The courts are a disaster area, this matter needs to be aired thoroughly in the court of public opinion. How do we do this with the mainsteam media being a censoring propaganda machine, and with the taxpayer-funded ABC and SBS being worse than useless in providing critical analysis of the Covid debacle?
Yes, it's just that in the court they only deal with one argument at a time I suppose -so in this case they contested the Commissioner's authority, not whether employees were fully informed.
So just to make myself clear, I’m saying this should never have got to court in the first place, because the medical profession should have refused to inject people under duress, they should have known this was violating voluntary informed consent.
And if the practitioners had refused to collaborate, none of this would have happened…
But everyone has the intrinsic freedom to not comply. My right to not consent is far more fundamental to freedom for all of us than a doctor shoulda woulda coulda not violating "voluntary informed consent."
What should have happened in this hypothetical scenario?
"Doctor, I don't want the vaccine." What happens next? https://elizabethhart.substack.com/p/doctor-i-dont-want-the-vaccine
Also consider that in July/August 2021, the Morrison government LIED to practitioners about them having specific indemnity for administering the COVID-19 vaccinations - they DON’T have this specific indemnity.
See this email thread to Mark Butler for background: Response re: Are health practitioners covered for indemnity insurance re the Covid jabs? https://vaccinationispolitical.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/12/response-re_-are-health-practitioners-covered-for-indemnity-insurance-re-the-covid-jabs2.pdf
I’ll do a substack article on this soon.
My point is this is being fought on the wrong grounds.
We should be fighting for voluntary informed consent. The main point being the practitioners shouldn’t have collaborated with vaccine mandates - see "Doctor, I don't want the vaccine." What happens next? https://elizabethhart.substack.com/p/doctor-i-dont-want-the-vaccine
How does a law give priority to government advertising over scientific data as a source of evidence on a life-and-death matter??
By our consenting to it.
Does the law say that the Minister is right-regardless of whether in fact they are right?
Does it matter?
The minister said it and there may exist a law to say he was right.
Regardless of wrong or right, people are fixated on their roles to play "Yes, Minister!"
I think it does matter, especially if the law defines the Minister as right, a truly Orwellian event.
Well I guess it's a case of law for Ye but not for Three.
You can always... 😉 Break the law? 🤫
The problem is the legal practitioners that side with the government, however obliquely! I've seen it with farmers and now jab abstainers. They take your money and run! Don't blame the judges or the law - it's the greedy Masonic lawyers that are to blame!!! 😡
Yes I agree. Like Lance said, “it doesn’t feel right.”