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Alison Bevege's avatar

This is a direct threat not to our freedom of speech but to our lives.

I remind you of Lysenko, the USSR version of Fauci who led ag science and crushed by censorship and sackings and marginalisation all scientists who disagreed. Just like covid gene-vaccines.

Just like this misinfo bill will enshrine in law.

He killed millions of people who starved to death because his wrong ideas cpuld not be contested.

Like how people were killed and maimed by the gene-vaccine that couldn't be questioned but worse.

It is not your free speech at stake it is your lives.

If you do not have free speech then you do not have safety or protection from policy idiots who can kill you with their bad decisions.

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ExcessDeathsAU's avatar

Quite correct Alison, this is a banger of a comment, connecting the dots.

What an excellent example with Lysenko - I believe famine is the next cab off the rank (along with CBDC). Yes, in terms of farm seizures and herd culls for 'climate' one will not be allowed to question 'the science.' This is already happening world-wide and especially to our brothers and sisters in Ireland most recently.

People can quibble over the details but the people in charge do not care about 'details.' They do what they want. Here I give the example of how the WA Health Act dovetails the censorship bill, leading to death. https://vicparkpetition.substack.com/p/the-australian-government-may-legally

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Greg_In_Oz's avatar

It’s not about controlling speech it’s about controlling thought. There’s a reason our ‘esteemed’ communication minister has expressly noted the legislation compels social media platforms to engage more ‘fact-checkers’ … this is it, the Thought Police that George Orwell warned about, just look into the UN’s ‘Our Common Future’ Brief 8 on ‘Digital Security’ that was published just last month and expressly predicts exactly why the regime in Canberra is advancing this nightmare

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Julie Pettiford's avatar

People should remember our unaparty liberals also proposed. This bill when passed n power. It’s also been n line with what Jacinta Adhern was sprouting at home and he UN and is now guest lecturer at an American university. It’s also in accordance with our faceless bureaucrat pushing this at the WEF. And do not forget the masses ve numbers of deaths people cancelled, deplatformed and the deaths ver 4,000 posts taken during an onlne at the behest of our govt during the lockdown pandemic. Most of those post turned out to be true. The biggest biggest spreader of disinformation was our government and health bureaucrats. Resist, do not comply.

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Rebekah Barnett's avatar

Yes I agree, this is not a partisan issue. It appears to be a power issue. Those who have power want more power.

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Julie Pettiford's avatar

Dead rightRebekah

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Ozkar's avatar

“Liberal” party has made themselves unelectable with perfect timing. It’s a puppet show...

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Die Untermensche's avatar

I have made my submission... And I didn't even swear.

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Jonathan's avatar

Just to be realistic here: bare in mind the distinct possibility that making a submission or even writing to your MP directly will likely put you on The List. That is, the list of people the Government will keep an eye on in order to make an example out of their wonderful new 1984 legislation. I am sure anyone who is intelligent enough to see how destructive this Labor Government is, is also intelligent enough to understand this and will have thought the pros and cons through. Apart from that, it is mostly the same people who are against this who were also against the car waxines. So we are all probably already on The List, especially when we rebel against the next WHO lockdown and medical experiment. We will just get our very own chapters rather than a mere index listing!

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Rebekah Barnett's avatar

Sure. But as you're probably already on The List... ;)

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kerrylyn's avatar

I doubt you would be on any list if you don't have a mygov account/receive money from gov't.

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ExcessDeathsAU's avatar

I am on alllllll the lists. You have no idea...

Edit: Hi ASIO, AFP & WApol! Hope you're having a nice day boys xxxx love you

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F....'s avatar

Hi ED

How you doing... are you...or have you been watching - ''the end of Covid'' they blow the entire official narrative out of the water including the part where the CSIRO supposedly purified and isolated the alleged virus.

Thought that you might be interested re ''excess deaths'' which is thoroughly covered.

Free to watch till the end of this month.

https://theendofcovid.com/learning-center/?swcfpc=8&vgo_ee=deJKgGgLlVs3AQ3rd%2B0n5r27cZWEP5iWTmGEfZUadAwDfnQvcN2AM6o%3D%3ATpFCq8w91wTPJ9UtRjmI7yl%2FK%2FzIKgJ2#content-module

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ExcessDeathsAU's avatar

No I have not seen it. Sasha Latypova recently wrote about the false binary of the 'argument for no virus' diverting attention away from the bioweapons. Given our respective backgrounds this is correct in my opinion. https://sashalatypova.substack.com/p/persistent-damage-to-the-gut-microbiome

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F....'s avatar

I'm a tad disappointed that this is news to you.

There's a lot of material to cover - You'll have to sign in in order to view it however as mentioned it's only free till the end of this month.

The bit about the CSIRO is covered pretty early on - We can into that if you like however the essential point is that genomic sequencing is pointless for what it was used for.

Presently I'm up to - Covid-19 Hospital - Protocols - stuff I already knew since I've been following this intently ever since Drosten was exposed.

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F....'s avatar

The episode that I hope you'll watch is titled '' Isolation of Sars Cov 2''

At around 15 minutes Andy Kaufman and Tom Cowan go into the finer details why claims made by the CSIRO of having purified and isolated SC2 are meaningless.

https://theendofcovid.com/eoclms/isolation-of-sars-cov-2/

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Greg_In_Oz's avatar

Im likely already on ze list … think of it as an honour, what’s the point of cowering in the corner when you’re simply delaying the inevitable

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Being Nobody, Going Nowhere's avatar

Exactly. Is a life lived in fear worth living? Especially when you are older. It happened on our watch. We let it slip. Got too preoccupied with small town wealth. This risk was at the core of every freedom movement ever.

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Greg_In_Oz's avatar

100%. Too busy chasing fripperies, heads in the clouds living lives of quiet affluence or at least comfortable in our superiority. Weak, feeble, fragile and ultimately pretty useless. No longer. Psalm 23 … I shall fear no evil … not just an esoteric catchphrase but a way of life. Do not fear.

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Duncan A Turner's avatar

Thid bloke (Fam) has done a lot of thinking on this issue and I really like the points he raises as the basis for a reasoned, rather than emotional objection to the bill. Sadly, I think many Australians, including myself, are still struggling against a kind of Stockholm Syndrome whereby subsequent to the impact of Covid lockdowns and restrictions upon us both financially and in terms of our mental health and well-being, we are not well placed to respond to this further attack on our freedom and liberty as citizens of a free country.

The amount of time we are given to digest and respond to this is ridiculously truncated. There is a need for way more time for discussion so that the average person can form an opinion and a response to this - not just the wel-informed 1 percent of the population (like Fem) who are trying, against the ticking clock to do this on our behalf.

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Rebekah Barnett's avatar

Yep I get that. I will be publishing at least one more article on this before submissions close, with the intention that the materials published will equip readers (like yourself) with fresh ideas and evidence that you can then work with to stitch together the things that seem most pertinent to you, for your own submission.

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Ess Grubb's avatar

Submission made and information shared!

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Alison Bevege's avatar

Well done thank you for writing about this dreadful censorship power grab

The ACMA has ties to the security state also which makes the data gathering and reporting features of this legislation particularly sinister

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Robert  Cangia's avatar

It’s all about control and deprivation of our freedom of speech 😡

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Being Nobody, Going Nowhere's avatar

It sounds like the human rights we think we have are not written in any law and are therefore on the mercy of a judge? Are there ir have there been attempts ever to include a blll of human rights in Australia? Wouldn't that be the most pressing issue our so called elected representatives should table in parliament? I am starting to think about moving again. If tbe shit hits the fan in Australia we are all f☆☆☆ed. This time I am thinking some 3rd wotld country. At least the corruption is overt and they dont't have the funds to entertain an army of bureaucrats that strangles them with red tape.

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Greg_In_Oz's avatar

I recall recently listening to a speaker explain that whatever we consider our basic “human rights” are ultimately at the whim of entities such as the UN who have inserted caveats to the tune of “as long as they don’t challenge our supranational interests”. We no longer have any version of what us liberty-loving citizens perceive as “certain unalienable rights” as written in the US constitution … Americans don’t either.

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St Stephen's avatar

Well done! Mr Fam also impresses. For what it's worth, I'll attempt to make a submission myself, based on the arguments you've given here and elsewhere, and on the lawyers' submission. Oh, and as obvious to you readers as that might be... Recommendation no. 9 above quite rightly asserts "The drafters of the Bill must be clear in their intentions." Their underlying intention is to censor and intimidate, and ultimately silence all dissent on the Internet. Of course, they can't admit that, not even to themselves!

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George Watts's avatar

In 15 seconds, I can google up real physical harm being done to woman, children in the form of sexual abuse being sold as porn, been going on for years with the governments 'best efforts' to stamp it out.

Yet I can not have a real discussion with a politician or medical authority about the excess death situation....

Wakey, wakey kids, you are too late. Kiss your kiddies futures away and get into step with what they want, or have your live and possessions taken from you. Protesting via nothing more than your vocal/written disapproval will reap zero reward. I would love to be proven wrong.

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Le Chat Noir's avatar

Not helpful. We have to try.

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George Watts's avatar

I agree we have to keep trying, but when continuing to complete the same actions, under the same circumstances, and expecting a different outcome.......

No, it ain't gonna work. And no, I don't know what will work. But if the last chance for action was the cliff edge, we all have a pretty good view right now.

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Greg_In_Oz's avatar

I hear you and largely agree but you have to fight, not for yourself but for any kids or grandkids that you might leave behind. I cannot and will not be said to have done nothing. We all know what’s arrayed against us … none of us are blind … but I cannot in good conscience sit back and allow these evil bastards to steal my kids’ future because of their greed, corruption, lies and deceptions without at least trying.

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George Watts's avatar

Agreed. I have taken the action for which I believe to be the most effective in making government/corporate come back to the table and start to listen to the working people.

I quit the workforce (b/c jab), I reduced expenditure in my life to the absolute basics, paid off all debt. I'm finding work casually earning ‹=18.5k so as not to pay tax.

If this is done at scale, perhaps as low as 25 - 30% of urban population. You will make a difference. You will. You will force their hand because their fragile house of cards will crumble.

Most everyone I talk to about this approach says it is impractical, foolish, I can't, I have kids. I've heard every excuse. These are usually people in massive amounts of debt, trying to maintain this illusion of a 'good life'. I know, I was living that life. Great job, not having to think about money. Then I was asked to sell my soul to keep playing.

People do have a solution, but they only want to try the solutions that maintain their current level of comfort and convenience.

The cognitive dissidence of a well paid slave. IMHO.

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F....'s avatar

I can have no faith in a government that cannot be bothered to fight for the political prisoner of our time ''Julian Assange'' who has had his life ruined for publishing the truth.

So who does our government really serve? - it's definitely not serving the best interests of Australians and neither do these spineless soulless sellouts appear to be be adhering to their political oaths.

So who are really in charge?

It appears that we already have a world government.

''The enemy is Western economic imperialism....a new colonialism....mental domination and domination of the media.

The greatest shock came in 2020 with the covid operation when we were able to see that we have only one global center of real power.

One center of power was obvious The WHO was able to make orders to major world powers'' [Lurie Rosca]

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Le Chat Noir's avatar

No, it’s wasn’t the WHO, they didn’t have the means to compel governments who didn’t want to go along. But the International Monetary Fund (IMF) managed to enforce compliance of the poorer countries with conditions placed on loans or threats to cut of future borrowing. Those heads of state that still rebelled in Africa wound up dead not long after.

The Western countries didn’t need to be coerced because we obviously already had plenty of capture of our government and institutions. They’ve been trying for world government for at least 100 years so they’ve had time to infiltrate.

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Greg_In_Oz's avatar

Not 100% correct … the Bank of International Settlements controls the IMF and the question becomes “who controls them?”

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F....'s avatar

Feel free to elaborate I'm thinking along the lines of the city of London corporation however cunning like an octopus there will be much to this.

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Le Chat Noir's avatar

Of course the IMF isn’t the top, that was just one of the levers used. And indeed, who controls the BIS is the million dollar question

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Le Chat Noir's avatar

The real control

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F....'s avatar

The enemy is Western economic imperialism - The WHO is part and package of it all.

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St Stephen's avatar

My personal short submission to the Australian Government against the so-called Misinformation Bill:

Placing limits on the freedom of speech threatens ALL personal and political freedoms. Today, "misinformation/disinformation"; tomorrow, any opinion the government doesn't like (or an anonymous, "independent" public servant THINKS it MIGHTN'T like). Information and the perception of what's true or false changes over time. What once were accepted facts are now recognized as delusions. The Church having determined the Sun moved round the Earth, anyone who said otherwise (viz. Galileo) was imprisoned, or worse, as a dangerous heretic. Such past "misinformation/disinformation" was placed on the Index Librorum Prohibitorum (List of Prohibited Books) and burned, often along with its author! The modern terms are meaningless in themselves, mere Orwellian Newspeak, but if the "Combatting Misinformation and Disinformation" Bill (note, also, the aggressive "Combatting", showing they mean business) is passed into law, then a modern Inquisition/Index, the ACMA, will define them for all Australians, moving us further down the slippery slope to totalitarianism. The powers given by the Bill would be used to pressure online providers into "voluntarily" removing specific content/posts from digital platforms, without the need to formally request removal; the existence of those powers alone inhibiting providers from publishing possibly "offensive" content or posts in the first place, thereby encouraging self-censorship, limiting public debate. Clearly overreach by the Government to control what citizens can say and think, it is the Bill itself that poses the REAL "threat to the safety and wellbeing of Australians, as well as to our democracy, society and economy."

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Bill Rice, Jr.'s avatar

Yesterday I was thinking about the heart attack of LeBron James' son and the near-certainty that he won't use his celebrity stature to raise awareness of vaccine injuries. This made me think "these people aren't like you and me," .... which made me think of all the other things in our New Normal that scare the hell out of me ...

https://billricejr.substack.com/p/trends-that-scare-the-heck-out-of?utm_source=profile&utm_medium=reader2

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RFC's avatar

If changing the constitution is on the table with "the Voice", let's instead have a referendum to add the US bill of rights, perhaps one by one so none of them discourages a Yes vote for any others.

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Alison Bevege's avatar

Just read your excellent piece on Umbrella. The "Misinformation researcher" is an exact example of the fake new "experts" industry created to legitimise the censorship, as Glenn Greenwald has so precisely observed. As a result, Dr Tauel Harper loves this new justification for "experts" needed to determine for the "stupid public" what is harmful misinformation to build "social trust".

No, no, no, no.

We do not need or want "social trust" we need government transparency. Social distrust is actually the correct response quite often. Covid jabs, iraq war, ukraine war, afghan war etc etc etc. The policy decisions made by elites and subject to censorship are not in our interests which is why the censorship is needed.

The public needs no "misinfo expert" industry to tell it what is true. Give us the data and we will decide for ourselves.

And no to criminalising wrong information and wrongthink

It is a greater threat to us all, to have the stupid policy mistakes of our rulers protected by censorship than it is to have stupid or wrong info broadcast on the internet for the public to see

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