That was very interesting for me to read. Sorry to see you had such an intense reaction to the diet.
Like you I suffer from chronic pain- 27 years, along with gastritis and reflux.
Have been trying to get into carnivore for ages. I just don't like meat that much, in fact I have a similar response to you.
My pain has improved somewhat with regular exercise, usually swimming and walking, a little light weights and using a rebounder. Moved to the outback about 8 years ago and the dry environment really suits me. Used to live in Tasmania, the winters were like torture. Eating clean whole foods minus grains and dairy also helps. We are all individuals with differing needs and responses, which is one reason why, imo Allopathic Medicine is failing us. It's losing any possibility of individualising treatments with ICD codes and insurance classifications.
Ah sorry to hear about the pain Nabeela. Environment mades quite a difference for me too - Bali is my happy place!! Warm and a bit humid, my body loves it. Glad you've found a balance that suits you better in the outback.
At the risk of giving annoying but we'll intentioned " advice", you may be producing the hydrochloric acid after the meat has been moved into the duodenum.
My naturepath said that this is common with diet or routine changes.
She suggested adhering to having meals at the same times every day so your body produces the acid at that time.
She gave me hydrochloric acid tablets to have with food in order to train my gut.
I found that it worked immediately and once I got into the routine, I slowly went off the hydrochloric acid tablets.
Not drinking anything 1 hr before or after food also helped by not diluting the acids.
Anyway, hope this is something you haven't tried! 🌞
Good tips thanks Justin. I may have been drinking water too close to meals, and I hadn't considered hydrochloric acid tablets. I've got an appt with the doc this week so I'll ask her about it.
Interesting experience, Rebekah, thanks for sharing.
I have been increasingly doing carnivore for the last ~4 months - it works rather well for me, sustained better energy, much more satiated, fitter and feel stronger - in short, sounds more like your partner. I haven't noticed a major improvement re inflammation and old injuries - but also I've been busy and drinking too much! (Non carnivore, I know - but something's gotta slip when things get hectic).
I hope you HFLC works for you - I suspect starting on this for a few weeks would help those susceptible to adverse experiences going carnivore. I water-fasted for three days before launching in three weeks ago on this more serious bout, which was unpleasant but helped I think :-)
PS I have wondered if blood type plays a role (relates to evolutionary lineage, and different regions had different dietary patterns (more or less meat, dairy etc.). I suspect O's (ancestral type) are best suited, but just a hunch... would love to see it tested (and carnivore diet tested, in a RCT, period... but curiously none of the usual crowd seem interested in funding such a trial...).
Ahah carnivore, plus booze. I've also heard this about blood type. I have no idea what my blood type is but I'm going to look into it because a few people have mentioned that O's are apparently best suited to carnivore.
Poor you. It sounds horrific what you went through. But taking a different approach…..I came down with instant joint pain some years ago. Doctors couldn’t come up with a diagnosis. Suggested pre arthritis, fibromyalgia etc. but I couldn’t walk or even get out of a chair. So I found instant relief when steroids were prescribed (such a wonder drug!). Anyway after 4 years I tried to get off them. Made 4 or 5 attempts but always had to go back to them. Then one day at an auction I was chatting to someone who had had similar problems. “There’s only one cure” she said. “What” I said expecting some arcane drug or health regime. “Distraction” was her response. Upshot was I decided to go back to Uni, did another degree, and within a year pain had all but gone. True story. I get twinges now and then but that’s manageable with Panadol osteo. The body is a misunderstood entity. Meditation unfortunately didn’t help much at the time but I still believe in it, particularly vipassana.
His offering is a bit more involved, basically that pain is anger manifesting in the body, and that once you identify that, the best thing to do is tell it you're not having a bar of it, then ignore it. I've practiced it... can't say I've fully grasped it or that distracting myself has resolved everything for me, but I'm open to the idea. I notice that when I'm in flow states, the pain recedes in my consciousness to the point that I'm not even necessarily aware of it. Only problem is I haven't worked out how to keep that after the flow state ends!
Interesting. Fits in with my German mother’s take on illness. Which is she simply refused to believe in it. “It comes from nowhere. And goes to nowhere” she would gaily philosophise. “I sneeze 7 times and it goes away”. Worked for her. The woman never even had the flu till she was in her 60’s. And lived till she was 96 before dying of ‘old age’. My father meanwhile who allegedly had longevity genes coming from Kazakhstan dies at 76 from mesothelioma. I’ve been taking part in a longitudinal study with the Asbestos Diseases study for 32 years, where most of the children from Wittenoom died around 40. My point is I don’t believe in the genetic arguement which is so prevalent today, (and maybe not even the environmental one). And my mother’s take didn’t help at all at the time. But perhaps I’ve made peace with my body ….like having a chat with my eyes “you’re not getting glasses so you’ll just have to work harder..”. Have faith Rebekah and take the Sufi approach of “This too will pass”. Timing is such a bitch tho.
I agree! I remember Richard Dawkins doing a takedown of homeopathy a few years ago. He poo-pooed it and concluded that the benefits patients felt were most likely due to the placebo effect. And there he concluded! To me, that should've been the beginning of a real conversation, not the conclusion of his enquiry.
So interesting. Several years ago i had bad reflux, went to specialist and he said coeliac. Tested negative but he said stop gluten! Put up with it for 2 years (4 trips to France, Belgium, no croissants, no beer, hell) and no better. Asked him for referral to second opinion, man was he insulted. Anyway saw another guy who said coeliac? no way, you are much too fat for that! Bought a carton of beer and 2 loaves of bread on the way home. Solved it myself by identifying the stress issue that woke me up at night (also causing the reflux) and actively killing the issue the next day (figuratively). Still get reflux (accompanied by poor sleep /mulling) but now know what to do. Ha ha lets not mention losing a bit of weight and dialling back the booze a couple of clicks.
I've been GF for 15 years and don't miss it anymore but I also have heard of people using mind/body methods (eg: Joe Dispenza) and then no longer manifesting an allergy to gluten!
No my guy was saying coeliac, like, starvation type, no villi type. I just never had any intolerance (except to rubbish shiraz). Did make for some great recipe discoveries though, me being the cook in this endless honeymoon.
That was very interesting for me to read. Sorry to see you had such an intense reaction to the diet.
Like you I suffer from chronic pain- 27 years, along with gastritis and reflux.
Have been trying to get into carnivore for ages. I just don't like meat that much, in fact I have a similar response to you.
My pain has improved somewhat with regular exercise, usually swimming and walking, a little light weights and using a rebounder. Moved to the outback about 8 years ago and the dry environment really suits me. Used to live in Tasmania, the winters were like torture. Eating clean whole foods minus grains and dairy also helps. We are all individuals with differing needs and responses, which is one reason why, imo Allopathic Medicine is failing us. It's losing any possibility of individualising treatments with ICD codes and insurance classifications.
Ah sorry to hear about the pain Nabeela. Environment mades quite a difference for me too - Bali is my happy place!! Warm and a bit humid, my body loves it. Glad you've found a balance that suits you better in the outback.
At the risk of giving annoying but we'll intentioned " advice", you may be producing the hydrochloric acid after the meat has been moved into the duodenum.
My naturepath said that this is common with diet or routine changes.
She suggested adhering to having meals at the same times every day so your body produces the acid at that time.
She gave me hydrochloric acid tablets to have with food in order to train my gut.
I found that it worked immediately and once I got into the routine, I slowly went off the hydrochloric acid tablets.
Not drinking anything 1 hr before or after food also helped by not diluting the acids.
Anyway, hope this is something you haven't tried! 🌞
Good tips thanks Justin. I may have been drinking water too close to meals, and I hadn't considered hydrochloric acid tablets. I've got an appt with the doc this week so I'll ask her about it.
I hope your doctor doesn't look like this !😆.
I hope you get better!
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Interesting experience, Rebekah, thanks for sharing.
I have been increasingly doing carnivore for the last ~4 months - it works rather well for me, sustained better energy, much more satiated, fitter and feel stronger - in short, sounds more like your partner. I haven't noticed a major improvement re inflammation and old injuries - but also I've been busy and drinking too much! (Non carnivore, I know - but something's gotta slip when things get hectic).
I hope you HFLC works for you - I suspect starting on this for a few weeks would help those susceptible to adverse experiences going carnivore. I water-fasted for three days before launching in three weeks ago on this more serious bout, which was unpleasant but helped I think :-)
PS I have wondered if blood type plays a role (relates to evolutionary lineage, and different regions had different dietary patterns (more or less meat, dairy etc.). I suspect O's (ancestral type) are best suited, but just a hunch... would love to see it tested (and carnivore diet tested, in a RCT, period... but curiously none of the usual crowd seem interested in funding such a trial...).
Ahah carnivore, plus booze. I've also heard this about blood type. I have no idea what my blood type is but I'm going to look into it because a few people have mentioned that O's are apparently best suited to carnivore.
Poor you. It sounds horrific what you went through. But taking a different approach…..I came down with instant joint pain some years ago. Doctors couldn’t come up with a diagnosis. Suggested pre arthritis, fibromyalgia etc. but I couldn’t walk or even get out of a chair. So I found instant relief when steroids were prescribed (such a wonder drug!). Anyway after 4 years I tried to get off them. Made 4 or 5 attempts but always had to go back to them. Then one day at an auction I was chatting to someone who had had similar problems. “There’s only one cure” she said. “What” I said expecting some arcane drug or health regime. “Distraction” was her response. Upshot was I decided to go back to Uni, did another degree, and within a year pain had all but gone. True story. I get twinges now and then but that’s manageable with Panadol osteo. The body is a misunderstood entity. Meditation unfortunately didn’t help much at the time but I still believe in it, particularly vipassana.
Great story Rahima and I believe it. Sounds a little similar to what the author of this book has to say: https://www.amazon.com.au/Great-Pain-Deception-Faulty-Medical-ebook/dp/B0075EVN46
His offering is a bit more involved, basically that pain is anger manifesting in the body, and that once you identify that, the best thing to do is tell it you're not having a bar of it, then ignore it. I've practiced it... can't say I've fully grasped it or that distracting myself has resolved everything for me, but I'm open to the idea. I notice that when I'm in flow states, the pain recedes in my consciousness to the point that I'm not even necessarily aware of it. Only problem is I haven't worked out how to keep that after the flow state ends!
Interesting. Fits in with my German mother’s take on illness. Which is she simply refused to believe in it. “It comes from nowhere. And goes to nowhere” she would gaily philosophise. “I sneeze 7 times and it goes away”. Worked for her. The woman never even had the flu till she was in her 60’s. And lived till she was 96 before dying of ‘old age’. My father meanwhile who allegedly had longevity genes coming from Kazakhstan dies at 76 from mesothelioma. I’ve been taking part in a longitudinal study with the Asbestos Diseases study for 32 years, where most of the children from Wittenoom died around 40. My point is I don’t believe in the genetic arguement which is so prevalent today, (and maybe not even the environmental one). And my mother’s take didn’t help at all at the time. But perhaps I’ve made peace with my body ….like having a chat with my eyes “you’re not getting glasses so you’ll just have to work harder..”. Have faith Rebekah and take the Sufi approach of “This too will pass”. Timing is such a bitch tho.
I think the mind is way more powerful than allopathic medicine gives it credit for...
I agree! I remember Richard Dawkins doing a takedown of homeopathy a few years ago. He poo-pooed it and concluded that the benefits patients felt were most likely due to the placebo effect. And there he concluded! To me, that should've been the beginning of a real conversation, not the conclusion of his enquiry.
Absolutely. I'm listening to Joe Dispenza's book You Are the Placebo at the moment... incredible stuff.
So interesting. Several years ago i had bad reflux, went to specialist and he said coeliac. Tested negative but he said stop gluten! Put up with it for 2 years (4 trips to France, Belgium, no croissants, no beer, hell) and no better. Asked him for referral to second opinion, man was he insulted. Anyway saw another guy who said coeliac? no way, you are much too fat for that! Bought a carton of beer and 2 loaves of bread on the way home. Solved it myself by identifying the stress issue that woke me up at night (also causing the reflux) and actively killing the issue the next day (figuratively). Still get reflux (accompanied by poor sleep /mulling) but now know what to do. Ha ha lets not mention losing a bit of weight and dialling back the booze a couple of clicks.
I've been GF for 15 years and don't miss it anymore but I also have heard of people using mind/body methods (eg: Joe Dispenza) and then no longer manifesting an allergy to gluten!
No my guy was saying coeliac, like, starvation type, no villi type. I just never had any intolerance (except to rubbish shiraz). Did make for some great recipe discoveries though, me being the cook in this endless honeymoon.
Ah i see